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Video: The Dark Side of AI: Is the Photography Industry Doomed?

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Interesting video, seems a pretty honest take:

 

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Very insightful video. I agree that the pros will use AI as a tool just as we all use computers today, generally to get work done more quickly and efficiently. Millions of jobs were lost, but new types were created. Families will continue to take photos of family events like weddings, vacations, birthdays, and yes, selfies.

He discussed (but didn't necessarily agree with) laws preventing AI from being used. That would protect certain industries. That's a bad idea. While lots of people might lose their jobs, that's what tools do. We become more productive as humans, leaving more time for art and other personal endeavors. Who would recommend laws today outlawing tractors so farmers have to hire an additional 50 workers to pick the crops?
 

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AI gets old really fast. Like modern movies that use cgi, no interest to me. Of course there'll come a time when we can't tell the difference,
 

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The people that care will still want authentic work, the people that don't care will still not care.

Author of video forgot one thing that AI won't have that people do.

People will have access to other people. AI won't. AI can't access places and people can. At least the first time.
 

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Interesting video, seems a pretty honest take:
Yup, agree; thanks for posting. In fact, I agree with virtually everything he puts forth in the video. Which means yeah, bad news for most commercial photogs and a lot of the auxiliary industries & professions.

While lots of people might lose their jobs, that's what tools do. We become more productive as humans, leaving more time for art and other personal endeavors.
That's an interesting take. So far, we've not really seen that happen society-wide, although on average we can state that in the labor we are left with is less physically demanding and physically safer. To an extent, it also proves to be possible for a select few to enjoy less work and higher levels of material wealth - although that's a can of worms in itself. But in the end, what your remark refers to is a pretty fundamental change in how we view the relationships between labor, income and well-being. As long as tools only affect the labor aspect, we'll for the most part just invent new jobs to keep us busy.

And that's about as much as I'd say on the topic within the rules of this forum...
 

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It has gotten to the point where I cannot trust the validity or integrity of anything I see on the internet any more.
 

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It has gotten to the point where I cannot trust the validity or integrity of anything I see on the internet any more.

I'm not sure you ever could.
 

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There are a lot of applications of photographic reproduction of real objects, events, & people, for which one cannot substitute fabrications.
Yes, a lot of things can be fabricated, and AI will substitute for those works of FICTION. Reality cannot be fabricated, in general.

Fabricate a photo of the front of your home for posting on a real estate ad...any departure from reality will not be acceptable to a potential buyer, you would be accused of fraudulent advertising.
'Retouching' to eliminate objects like a signpost have been possible even pre-AI.
 

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Fabricate a photo of the front of your home for posting on a real estate ad...any departure from reality will not be acceptable to a potential buyer, you would be accused of fraudulent advertising.
You underestimate the credulity of the average person. No one would know.
 

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You underestimate the credulity of the average person. No one would know.

I've been in contact with a few law firms in the past few years, people that I grew up with or are family friends. They're aware that I shoot and develop my own film. They're heading down the path of having a film photographer on staff who has their negatives or slides notarized to be used in court. Yes, it's not perfect as a negative or a slide can be doctored but its much more difficult. They're working out the ins and outs. It's an interesting development (Narf!) I've been following.
 

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How hard could it be to make a negative from a doctored inkjet print? Maybe something like Leica's Content Authenticity is more reliable.
 

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You can spend a lot of energy on this if you want, but it is much more appropriate to simply find someone who directly viewed the subject photographed, and have them provide evidence under oath to the effect that the photograph is an accurate representation of the subject photographed, as of the time that the photograph was taken.
Photography is, absent some special and/or legislative provisions - e.g. traffic cameras - usually not used in court as direct evidence, but rather as demonstrative evidence.
 

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AI gets old really fast. Like modern movies that use cgi, no interest to me. Of course there'll come a time when we can't tell the difference,

I bought the last smart 4K TV that still shows 3-D. They don't make them anymore because people got tired of 3-D.
 
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Never mind AI. Think of all the people who already lost their jobs because of digital photography and Photoshop. My friend a commercial artist lost his at one point and was too old to learn the new computer techniques. However, looking from the other side, I worked for a NYC agency with 950 people. Of those, fully 91 or 10% were IT specialists who handled laptops, cellphones, etc for the department. That didn't include programmers because most applications were designed by outside companies. So the number of new kinds of workers was much greater than the 10%.
 

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How hard could it be to make a negative from a doctored inkjet print? Maybe something like Leica's Content Authenticity is more reliable.


Specifically for backing up estate documentation and damage assessment.

And yes, the photographer themselves would be present to assure chain of custody of the negatives. Once the negative/slide/print is notarized and authenticated it's used as a reference to compare digital copies or photographs of the same subject. Like a will, the will is photographed on film. The film is authenticated as the original copy and then a digital copy of the will is used. If questions come up in the future as to the authenticity of a digital copy it can be referenced to the original authenticated film negative of the document if the document is no longer available.
 

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The average consumer wont give a damn about reality as long as the price is right.
Add to that the acceptance of the, artificial, Mar a Largo look and the average bride will just love the Ai doctored photos !

My my; I think back to when AI was a Nikon lens mount!
 

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A few years back, during a riot in an American city, a guy shot a number of people. He claimed self-defense. At one point, the prosecution had to supply the court with a cellphone digital video they obtained from one of the spectators. It wasn't clear enough to confirm the defendant's claim that the guy he shot grabbed for his gun and then he shot him fearing for his life that the gun would be turned on him if he grabbed it. Later during the trial, it came out that the prosecution submitted the video to the court and defense counsel with reduced resolution rather than the original one with full resolution. The full original video clearly showed the person shot grabbed for the gun. It confirmed the defendant's testimony. The judge was furious even threatening the prosecutor that he might throw out the case. As it turned out, the jury found the shooter innocent.
 

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I'm not a lawyer, but I believe the film, photos, etc would be considered hearsay evidence. For it to be accepted by the court as evidence, police and the photographer would have to personally testify as to the chain of custody of it, who shot it, when, how it was developed, etc. See my last post.
 

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One other thing. Every state in the US handles things differently. In Florida, wills must be original. Copies are not acceptable. How photos are handled in court are probably different as well. It's why lawyers must be licensed in the state(s) they practice, so they know the local laws. Of course, in US federal courts throughout the country, there would be one standard. So for example, photo copyrights follow one standard as these are determined by US Congress and federal law.
 

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I remember watching this go down. Regardless of what the politics were at the time it was a downright dirty trick that was played. The lawyer knew full well that a full rez version was out there but played the mushy one to the jury first hoping to cement the version he was presenting into place. I think this turned the case as the jury did not appreciate being played for fools.
 

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FWIW, the rules do differ from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.
And like as not, anyone who tries to support a witnesses testimony with a cel phone video shared at reduced resolution probably did so because they/their offices/their staff screwed up.
That or because the equipment that the prosecution had available was supplied to fulfil out of date specifications, by the lowest bidder .
Even when I practiced, the private lawyers had more and more recent computer resources than the Crown Counsel's office!
 

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Google and another firm are building new data centers in Cedar Rapids, part of town with huge plants that make Cheerios, ADM plant that makes enormous amounts of ethanol.

The data centers will pull as much power as some of these big plants. All to store your Nest home video, cell phone pictures and emails etc.

Bringing a 50 year old mothballed nuke plant back on line, these data centers take huge amounts of water. Google is drilling scores of deep wells to suck the aquifer dry.

Turn the resolution down on your cell cam. Save the whales!