Velvia, developed with HC, inverted with second exposure and C41

[Meinrad]

Hello all,
since its hard to get (and to pay) positive film i am having the problem that i my E6 chemistry goes bad after one or two films. So i tried to develop a Velvia100 (two years over expiration date) with my Phoenix positive approach: Developing in Ilfotec HC 1:19 for 13 minutes, scond exposure and continuing with standard C41.
And i was really surprised by the result. Ok, there is a strong red cast, but can easily corrected if scanned. But for projection it would be nice to have a more neutral result. Anybody has an idea how to get it?
The pictures are scanned with no color correction.

 

[selyfriday]

Hi Meinrad, Afraid I don't have any info for you but leads me to a question.

"Developing in Ilfotec HC 1:19 for 13 minutes, scond exposure and continuing with standard C41."

This is new to me and seems like magic. What do you mean by second exposure in your process.

Thanks

 

[Meinrad]

hi selyfriday,
its easily explained: You can invert any film with exposing to light instead of chemical inversion. So steps are: first (bw) developer, inversion (with light), color developer, bleach, fix.

 

[pentaxuser]

In none of your examples is the reddish cast very obtrusive and in fact in the second example I have often seen stones of that colour anyway used as gravel. I suspect the roof tiles may not be quite the colour we see in the print but do not look annoyingly wrong

It's certainly worth a try if you have Velvia but don't want to waste E6 chemicals

pentaxuser

 

[Daniël Oosterhuis]

I think with C-41 color developer, you'll never get a truly accurate result, color-wise.
If you have it, or can get it cheaper than an E-6 kit, ECN-2 color developer will probably get you much closer, given ECN-2 uses CD-3 like E-6.

I know user @BHuij has developed Ektachrome 100D in HC-110 + ECN-2 with good results before.
Heck, even RA-4 color developer would likely work better than C-41, for much the same reason.