Using AI to critique your photos

nikos79 · Monday at 11:42 AM

Alan Edward Klein said:
But it can't drive a Tesla without getting into an accident? Maybe, it's only good at certain things like processing trillions of math calculations quickly so it can solve unsolvable equations. Or learn to play great chess because it can go through all the permutations of possible moves quickly and select the best one. Computers have done that in the past. But that's not creativity. That's not innovation. AI seems to be the next computer chip. Faster, more circuits, just a higher speed idiot moving ones and zeros around. It can't think.

I agree with Tesla but the real world is not easily simulated. That is why I mentioned "immersion" for AGI. By the way autonomous driving in any environment is largely linked to AGI due to how challenging of a problem it is.
But for the math problems you are wrong, it didn't solve them with calculations it solved them with reasoning that's why it was so impressive.
As for chess you are right, although you are missing a crazy point. The computers who learnt to defeat humans and redefined whole chess openings from scratch were trained by playing only with themselves only by knowing the set of rules and nothing more. They also achieved it in half an hour. From zero to mastery. That goes beyond computations. This is mind-blowing

MurrayMinchin · Monday at 12:43 PM

AI side note:

My wife searched "reindeer" in Mac Photos and this came up...our Yorkie wearing a Christmas sweater sporting antlers.

Close, but...

koraks · Monday at 12:55 PM

nikos79 said:
it solved them with reasoning

We may have to discuss what 'reasoning' is - and what isn't. Not all association is reasoning in my book. If you said "association", then I would have agreed.

warden · Monday at 1:02 PM

Alan Edward Klein said:
I didn't say AI wasn't good at being a tool to help me to be more creative and knowledgeable. However, it isn;'t creative, but more something that mimics the creativity of humans.

You're right that it's still very new, and I haven't used it much. I have asked it questions and it does seem easier to use than Google search. It's very helpful in giving me answers to question,s although YouTube videos work better when I have to repair something. It helps give me ideas to questions I hadn't thought of sort of like a reference source. So for right now, I see it as a tool to aid me in being creative and to answer questions more easily. But it's not the thing being creative. I am.

Maybe I'm missing something. What do you think it is?

It sounds like you're using AI as a search engine for the most part, and as such it's certainly an outstanding one. I partly use it that way as well. And of course it's not human, which is as it should be, and why it's such an effective co-conspirator; It doesn't get tired, frustrated, distracted or drunk like humans do. (And that's also why autonomous vehicles are already safer than human drivers even though the systems are in their infancy.) Use AI with the prompt "Are autonomous vehicles safer than vehicles driven by humans, and if so, why. Please cite your sources."

Alan Edward Klein said:
It's not innovative or creative because it doesn't really have a mind.

I suppose someone is about to break out their dictionary and look up these words but my experience has been that AI is both wildly innovative and creative. It creates. It innovates. It doesn't need a mind for that, even though it can't do its tasks without you and leveraging outside resources. You, as the human interpreter and managing partner, can use its output to steer it and yourself to accomplish goals. You may not experience this if your use of AI is basically a super-search engine, but if you branch out from there I imagine you will.

nikos79 · Monday at 1:13 PM

koraks said:
We may have to discuss what 'reasoning' is - and what isn't. Not all association is reasoning in my book. If you said "association", then I would have agreed.

Very good point as usual.
It is not associations but I see what you mean it is not reasoning in the sense that they know what they are doing or applying logic as humans do.
It is more a “closed system” you give it the formal rules and then by applying them it can lead to conjectures or theorems sort of as called “symbolic reasoning”

MattKing · Monday at 5:44 PM

Alan Edward Klein said:
But it can't drive a Tesla without getting into an accident?

The same might be said by the population of human drivers that have already tried, and definitely failed.

Pieter12 · Monday at 6:28 PM

Alan Edward Klein said:
But it can't drive a Tesla without getting into an accident? Maybe, it's only good at certain things like processing trillions of math calculations quickly so it can solve unsolvable equations. Or learn to play great chess because it can go through all the permutations of possible moves quickly and select the best one. Computers have done that in the past. But that's not creativity. That's not innovation. AI seems to be the next computer chip. Faster, more circuits, just a higher speed idiot moving ones and zeros around. It can't think.

The tesla lacks the appropriate sensors for it to really drive autonomously. AI is the least of its problems.

warden · Monday at 6:33 PM

Pieter12 said:
The tesla lacks the appropriate sensors for it to really drive autonomously. AI is the least of its problems.

We have autonomous Waymo Jaguars running around the city now. It’ll be interesting to see how well they do. Here It’s chaotic driving for sure. Anarchy, really. It will be a good test for a Waymo.

Pieter12 · Monday at 6:41 PM

warden said:
We have autonomous Waymo Jaguars running around the city now. It’ll be interesting to see how well they do. Here It’s chaotic driving for sure. Anarchy, really. It will be a good test for a Waymo.

We have had Waymos for quite a while here. The biggest problem (besides all the noise at the charging depot) is they pretty much strictly obey traffic rules unlike human drivers, often holding up traffic to make a left turn--they won't go into an intersection if the car hasn't determined it can safely clear it before the light turns red.

Alan Edward Klein · Monday at 8:24 PM

koraks said:
Everyone well-versed in autonomous systems knows that the failure rate of such systems is generally far below that of human-controlled systems. That's why human intervention in those systems is generally minimized. Look at plane crashes, nuclear power plant meltdowns etc. etc. - what goes wrong is the human factor, virtually without fail. It's not the autopilot that crashes the plane. It's the pilot deciding to disengage the autopilot because he thinks it's wrong.
Now, those Teslas may not be ripe for the roads - I really wouldn't know. All I do know is that they either potentially or already in actuality will drive safer than you, me or any other human being. Thinking otherwise is utterly delusional - but that's mankind for you: hubris.

But they don't drive safer, and they've been at it for years. And driving seems to be less than trying to create something or be innovative, where AI has to "think" outside given parameters, as there are with driving.

Alan Edward Klein · Monday at 8:27 PM

warden said:
We have autonomous Waymo Jaguars running around the city now. It’ll be interesting to see how well they do. Here It’s chaotic driving for sure. Anarchy, really. It will be a good test for a Waymo.

Do they run on rainy or snowy days when the street lines are covered? Night? Are there other limitations of where, when etc they can;t run?

Pieter12 · Monday at 10:17 PM

Alan Edward Klein said:
Do they run on rainy or snowy days when the street lines are covered? Night? Are there other limitations of where, when etc they can;t run?

Well, with the recent major blackout in San Francisco, they all came to a halt. Seems they couldn't deal with traffic lights being out among other things. And as of now, they aren't on the freeways except with a driver behind the wheel.

Alan Edward Klein · Monday at 10:34 PM

Pieter12 said:
Well, with the recent major blackout in San Francisco, they all came to a halt. Seems they couldn't deal with traffic lights being out among other things. And as of now, they aren't on the freeways except with a driver behind the wheel.

What about when it rains or snows?

Pieter12 · Monday at 10:39 PM

Rain is no problem. Can’t say about snow, it doesn’t snow here.

Alan Edward Klein · Monday at 11:26 PM

Pieter12 said:
Rain is no problem. Can’t say about snow, it doesn’t snow here.

Well it snows in a big part of the country. What happens there? Can these programs navigate with obscured lane lines, crosswalks, low visibility, etc? Or do you need a dog sled?

Pieter12 · Monday at 11:53 PM

Alan Edward Klein said:
Well it snows in a big part of the country. What happens there? Can these programs navigate with obscured lane lines, crosswalks, low visibility, etc? Or do you need a dog sled?

It could well maybe able to manage snow OK. And if not, it certainly isn’t supposed to be for everyone everywhere.

Sirius Glass · 2026-01-09T15:56:15-0500

koraks said:
With all due respect Sirius, but your mention of 'heuristic' software in the other AI thread as well as what you've told about your work before makes it clear that your experience is in something entirely different from neural-network based models. This is a different animal from the ground up.

Regardless of the learning principles based on which examples and their order remain the same. AI can only be as good as its learning material and order of its presentation.

koraks · 2026-01-09T17:52:45-0500

Sirius Glass said:
Regardless

No. You'll have to do some reading. A lot, in fact.

nikos79 · 2026-01-09T18:16:46-0500

Sirius Glass said:
Regardless of the learning principles based on which examples and their order remain the same. AI can only be as good as its learning material and order of its presentation.

There is a small truth to that in the old saying in the AI world “garbage in-garbage out” but the misconception that it is only as good as its data seems to linger even in many of my programmer colleagues.

Let’s do a small test. I asked the free non latest version of ChatGPT the following:

“Can you imagine a photo camera that works with a new technology neither analog nor digital?”

I assume that this was not present or formulated in the data as it is and it had to be some new original synthesis among the patterns. Here was the output (sorry for its length):

The “Cognitive Camera”

Capture principle: Instead of using film or pixels, the camera records light and spatial information as patterns of neural-encoded thought — essentially storing how the scene feels and interacts with attention.
Image formation: The photographer “frames” the scene with intention and gaze, and the camera interprets the visual field along with context, emotion, and conceptual focus.
Output: The resulting image is not a static photo but a dynamic projection: the captured scene can shift depending on who is viewing it, highlighting details differently for each observer, almost like a living photograph.
Controls: No shutter speed or ISO; instead, you “tune” your mental focus, adjust conceptual parameters (contrast of ideas, emotional depth), and the camera interprets these inputs into the light-matter interaction.
Special feature: The camera can merge multiple photographers’ perspectives, combining their intentions into a composite “multi-conscious” photograph — almost like a collaborative dream image

Why it’s plausible (science-fiction-meets-future-tech)

Quantum / light field sensing: Could theoretically measure phase, polarization, and coherence patterns of light beyond classical imaging.
AI / brain-computer interface: Could integrate intentional patterns from a human mind to guide image formation.
Dynamic display: Using augmented reality, holography, or light-field projection, the “photo” could respond to the observer, unlike any analog or digital still image

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