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Update from Jobo RE the CPP3 at photokina

Back to the focus of this thread, I'm excited about the JOBO CPP-3 announcement. I see a definite need for equipment like this in the coming years as more and more big labs shut down. I hope that fixes for any early problems that show up in the 220v version get incorporated into the 115v US version.

I have a CPP-2 now. Two, in fact, one in need of repair. I'd love to know if the lift from a CPP-2 will fit the CPP-3. That would save a chunk of change, allowing CPP-2 users an easier upgrade to a CPP-3.

I'd also like to hear more about the built-in timer for up to 10 processes. Is it just a timer that signals at the conclusion of each step of a programmed process, or does it have features that help automate processing, like activate a motor-driven lift? That would be cool.
 
The lift will be identical to the one currently in use with CPA2\CPP2 machines. The built in timer is only an audio\visual alert timer to assist the user in working the machine, but will not move or do anything for the user other beep.
 
Great info, thank you. That's really good news about the lift. It's looking better all the time.

The process timer is a welcome improvement, even if it only beeps. It'll save the operator from having to reach over to the Gralab 300 and fiddle with the hands at the beginning of each step, or fumble for the digital kitchen timer and reset the next step time.
 
I'd be tempted. If my CPE2 dies, I probably WILL buy one.

I can get 4x5 E6 done locally in Atlanta - for something like $3 a sheet I believe. Forget that, at least for doing very much of it. I send my 35mm and 120 to Dwayne's but will probably stop that. I just lack time to do it myself. But I'm trying to change that. Since I have the CPE2 I don't really NEED the new machine (though Expert drums would be nice) but could definitely see springing for it, after the new view camera I've promised myself anyway.
 

For those of us where commercial E6 souping is $10/sheet, this product makes a lot of sense. I won't get one because I have a CPP2 and I suspect that people like me (i.e. those holding previously-sold product) are the main barrier to Jobo, not the overall state of the market. So I think it will sell quite slowly but clearly Jobo is fine with that - it's an old design on old tooling, they can run up a batch and warehouse them until sold; it's not like they're perishable goods. They ought to know their market better than any waffling prognosticators on apug.

Edit: check out the current market price of $650 for a 3010 tank if you think there's no demand for these products.
 
Will the Expert Drums, 3010, 3006, etc. again be offered for sale?
 

I have trouble finding your point regarding Fuji's right size. To me,the 1% figure is testament to their success. At Kodak, the film division is a cash cow that is supporting everything else (all the other failures). What a dismal situation.

But hell, maybe you (or I) should buy a new Jobo unit and go into the business. Maybe I should retire early and do that for walking-around money...

Other than the fact that I know next to nothing about developing film, it's a great idea.
 
pbromaghin said:
I have trouble finding your point regarding Fuji's right size.
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At what point does a company "care" or "not care" about film? (there was a url link here which no longer exists). Would Fujifilm ever even consider that? Just running some numbers on a spreadsheet? Like their CEO said, they'll be producing film as long as they can, but I'm not sure it will be what I want. I shoot very little 35mm, and mostly MF and LF. Fujifilm dropped Acros 400, and while they could have reformulated it, even though there wouldn't be ROI in their time frame, they could have done it. I regard Ilford, as represented by Simon, to have a level of customer service that leaves me bug-eyed. Would Ilford drop a 400 speed in 120? I seriously doubt that.

At some point Fujifilm will only be producing a 35mm film. At the same point, Ilford will still be producing a gamut of films. Thus, that's my point.
 
I agree about Ilford but I want Kodak around. One, for some competition which is good for photography in general, but more importantly for color neg. I also want Fuji around for color transparency (and/or Kodak to re-enter that market which might even be ever so slightly possible) but I don't consider that as likely as color neg being around a few more years.

Acros is a good film but it's one film. I don't really consider Fuji much of a player in black and white, no matter how good their one trick pony is.
 
Mike Reyburn said:
Will the Expert Drums, 3010, 3006, etc. again be offered for sale?
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ALL Jobo Expert drums have been, are and will be available for sale in the US (and globally), prices are high, but they are available.

Just google: "jobo expert drum in stock", the entire first page is what your looking for...
 
winterclock said:
Are the molds still available for Jobo to make new tanks?
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Actually, most tanks and reels (including all expert drums) are still available, the high prices of the new drums and their common availability in the used market sometimes prevents that fact from being known. search the sleaze bay for jobo, and narrow the search for "new" items, you will be (pleasantly, i hope) surprised.
 
Brian C. Miller said:
At some point Fujifilm will only be producing a 35mm film. At the same point, Ilford will still be producing a gamut of films. Thus, that's my point.
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And a good one it is. We agree about Simon and Ilford. It just might make me switch.
 
So... any updates post-kina? My situation is that I've got a 2nd hand CPE2-Plus which is showing signs of fatigue (it stopped mid-cycle on a Multitank 6 filled with 4 rolls of 120 @ 500ml yesterday). My guess is the motor overheated, as shutting it down for a couple minutes brought things back to normal.

I'm glad to hear that parts are available, but I'd also be interested in supporting the future growth of analog processing supplies, and would gladly purchase a new CPP3 were one to be offered for sale on this side of the pond.
 
I got an email from Freestyle that stated they will be the distributor for the new processor. They also asked that if anyone was interested in the new processor to send an email now, so they can get an idea of demand for the first order they make.

D.
 
Oh - that is great to hear!

btw - I found the update thread here: (there was a url link here which no longer exists)
 
CGW said:
Can't help but think they're a bit late to the party.
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You don't use film any more? Or are not planning on using it in the future?

This new Jobo comes at a good time when the majority of film use will be shifting form industry to home darkroom use. This is just the ticket. Might be a good time to upgrade my 12 year old CPP2.
 
ic-racer said:
This new Jobo comes at a good time when the majority of film use will be shifting form industry to home darkroom use. This is just the ticket. Might be a good time to upgrade my 12 year old CPP2.
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I agree. I might update my own Jobo since this one will be new and under warranty as I learn to break...er run it.
 
The person who sold my Jobo CPP-2, around 2005, had a laboratory and the Jobo was his backup machine.
I wouldn't rule out a relatively robust demand of the new Jobo from small laboratories, photography schools, professional photographers who use film and develop themselves, and some users, especially from people who would like to have a backup (or buy this new and use the old one as backup).

A small laboratory or a professional photographer will detract VAT and deduct the cost from imposable income, cutting the real economic cost in half. The "time to break-even" is not so long as for amateur photographers only developing for themselves at home.

I suspect this product will fare well. The price might be a bit of an "in your face" tactics, maybe discounts will be given easily.
 
The ironic thing here is that there are a lot of photographers shooting with D4's and 1Ds3's who are charging $1500 for a wedding.

 
As for my opinion on the new Jobo, yes that's a steep price. However, I live in a large market with many good film labs. I scan my own and just use the labs for processing. If I were a film shooter in a smaller market as many people are, I'd be at the mercy of two shipments. I'd never want the negs to go through two trips before they're even digitized so I'd have to get insanely expensive scans done at the labs. So from that point of view, I'd definitely buy a new Jobo if I didn't have good, reliable processing in my town. How long does C41 processing take per roll of 35 or 220 on these machines?
 
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Cineski said:
How long does C41 processing take per roll of 35 or 220 on these machines?
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The complete E-6 process, 6 baths, takes around 45 minutes here including paranoid washing of the Jobo "lift".
That includes all the intermediate washing, the final rinse.

C-41 is a simpler process and takes less time.

You have to take into account the time for chemistry dilution (if you use one-shot) and the time to warm up the machine. Let's say 30 minutes to prepare the chemistry, machine warm up takes around 1 hour. Hint: prepare the machine with water, turn it on, and then prepare the dilutions while the machine warms up.

Drying takes some 20 minutes with a specific device (which can also be self-built if you have inclination for DIY) or several hours if just let it drying in a dust-free room.

You then have to consider the time to cut the film into stripes. Don't forget to buy the film sleeves in advance

Also you should consider the time to properly wash the tank and reels.

If you use replenished baths and keep the machine always warm and ready (e.g. by turning it on with a timer 1 hour before your expected arrival home) you can handle the negatives around 1 hour after having come back home.

You can use drums which allow you to develop several films at once. IIRC you can arrive to 6 135 rolls or 4 120 rolls with one tank.

You can also prepare two tanks and when have finished with the first tank you begin with the second. (one-shot chemistry can be used for two processes at least).
 

I fill the processor tank with water that is within a degree or two of the process temperature, which speeds the warm up phase considerably. I fill the cylinders with chemicals and put them in their slots, and put the liter bottles of solutions into their receptacles, and let them temper while I load film onto reels. I haven't timed it, but the solutions in the vials are ready by the time I'm done loading film reels.
 
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