Unknown film

micke_932 · Feb 8, 2018

Hi!
I have a very old film that was shot in the 60th and still not developed, so maybe gone, but I tried with a few others almost as old and got pretty ok negatives, the problem is that I have no idea what kind of film it is.

It's a tiny 16mm film from one of those little spy cameras, I would guess they used 16mm movie camera film and cut it down, can't find any information on the film roll either, not even the brand, the end paper is pink with blue text "Ende / closed" but I don't think that is much help.

So without knowing anything about the film type, would there there be any "safe" way of giving it a try to develop it ? or anyone have a clue to what kind of film it might be ?

micke_932 · Feb 8, 2018

Oh, it is a B/W film, I know that much.

R.Gould · Feb 8, 2018

Posibly Minox film, they were the market leaders in the 60's

micke_932 · Feb 8, 2018

Yes, that is a possiblity but most of them are 8x11mm film, this is just like a very small 120 roll film, about 8mm in diameter and 18mm long, the film is 16mm wide, don't know the frame height

Europan · Feb 8, 2018

Could be a microfilm, could be cine print positive, could be sound recording film, could be a reversal stock or a common negative emulsion.
If you can risk a cut, begin with a simple negative process. Once you can decifer an edge code you know more.

pentaxuser · Feb 8, 2018

I take it that when you say shot in the 60th you mean the 1960s? It is 16mm film so movie film and the end paper has the word "Ende" on it. That suggests it was a German film so likely to be Agfa 16mm B&W movie film from the 60s. I'd check, if possible, Agfa 16mm movie film of the 1960s. If there was only one type of Agfa 16mm movie film from that time then this might narrow the search for development purposes

pentaxuser

AgX · Feb 8, 2018

R.Gould said:
Posibly Minox film, they were the market leaders in the 60's

Minox film had no end (nor start) paper, no text, nor was it 16mm.

R.Gould · Feb 8, 2018

It was just a guess as I have never used the stuff, my smallest is 35mm,

voceumana · Feb 8, 2018

For a universal developer of black and white film of pictorial contrast, divided D-76 is a good choice. Provides normal contrast and normal speed with fixed development time. Divided D-23 (D-23 used as a 2-bath formula) is another option.

AgX · Feb 8, 2018

"Divided developer" means splitting a formula to a first bath containg the developing agent, the second bath the alkali.

Over here only Tetenal once offered readymade a developer on such concept.

trendland · Feb 8, 2018

Europan said:
Could be a microfilm, could be cine print positive, could be sound recording film, could be a reversal stock or a common negative emulsion.
If you can risk a cut, begin with a simple negative process. Once you can decifer an edge code you know more.

+1.....we may speculate what film it could be till summer. The best method (sometimes always - even if one know the type of film) is to develope a little part - a single frame is still enough as test.
with regards

trendland · Feb 8, 2018

voceumana said:
For a universal developer of black and white film of pictorial contrast, divided D-76 is a good choice. Provides normal contrast and normal speed with fixed development time. Divided D-23 (D-23 used as a 2-bath formula) is another option.

www.kennethleegallery.com/html/tech/D-23.php has a nice page about
D-23 he also mentioned 2-bath recipe by the way.
with regards

trendland · Feb 8, 2018

AgX said:
"Divided developer" means splitting a formula to a first bath containg the developing agent, the second bath the alkali.

Over here only Tetenal once offered readymade a developer on such concept.

You mean "Emofin" AgX?

with regards

AgX · Feb 8, 2018

Yes, Emofin.

John51 · Feb 12, 2018

I haven't done this but read of it on this forum. Maybe somebody can post the original?

fwir, you develop a small clip of the film in daylight. As it turns black, compare it to the dark leader from another b&w film. When they are about the same density, fix and wash the test strip to compare them dry.

desertrat · Feb 12, 2018

If the roll looks like a tiny version of 120 film, it might be for those toy "Hit" cameras that were popular through mail order comic book ads back in the 60s.

A relative gave my one of those cameras along with a couple of rolls of film when I was a kid. Don't remember what happened to the camera or if I shot any of the film before I lost track of it.

ic-racer · Feb 12, 2018

We need a picture, but from the description I agree with desertrat; "HIT" film. Are we correct?

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