Universal appreciation of photographic art

cliveh

Subscriber
Joined
Oct 9, 2010
Messages
7,588
Format
35mm RF
I understand that Eskimos have more words to describe snow than people who have less experience of snow. They would therefore probably appreciate more variation of snow photographs than those who rarely see it. Do you think some types of photographic art have a universal appeal regardless of where they are viewed by different communities on the planet? Portraits for example and is this also different to a photographer’s appreciation?
 
OP
OP

cliveh

Subscriber
Joined
Oct 9, 2010
Messages
7,588
Format
35mm RF

lxdude

Member
Joined
Apr 8, 2009
Messages
7,094
Location
Redlands, So
Format
Multi Format
Sunsets. Sunrises too.
 

Gerald C Koch

Member
Joined
Jul 12, 2010
Messages
8,131
Location
Southern USA
Format
Multi Format

Forensic linguistics can be rather tricky. When we think of Russia we often think of snow, the vast whiteness of the Russian steppes. You would assume that there are a lot of words meaning snow in the language. There is only a single noun transliterated as sneg (rhymes with egg). While English has a verb to snow there is no comparable verb in Russian. The closest a Russian can come to saying that "it is snowing" is to use the idiom "It goes snow. There are no words for yes and no in Irish. Does this mean that the Irish people are by nature indecisive. Certainly not. One has to be very careful when making inferences from a language. Eskimo may be like Navajo which lacks any adjectives. So while in English we can get by with a single noun and various adjectives to describe various types of snow, Eskimo may have to have individual words for each type. It would be forced on them by the nature of the language.
 
Last edited by a moderator:

Ken Nadvornick

Member
Joined
Mar 18, 2005
Messages
4,942
Location
Monroe, WA, USA
Format
Multi Format
What an absolutely fascinating post!

Ken
 

MattKing

Moderator
Moderator
Joined
Apr 24, 2005
Messages
53,664
Location
Delta, BC Canada
Format
Medium Format
Um, as I understand it, if you are of Inuit heritage, the word "Eskimo" is considered an offensive anachronism.

Back on topic - I think that it can work in reverse.

Show a nice seaside scene to someone from around here, and you may get a lukewarm reception. Show it to someone who lives in a desert environment, and the greater novelty may bring rise to a better response.

This is one of the challenges of the internet world - there is a danger that every scene may become "commonplace".
 

George Papantoniou

Member
Joined
Mar 21, 2005
Messages
984
Location
Athens
Format
Medium Format
Landscapes. Portraits. Nudes. Wildlife. Macro photography. Underwater photography.

Just some guesses...
 

blansky

Member
Joined
Nov 6, 2002
Messages
5,952
Location
Wine country, N. Cal.
Format
Medium Format
Because of our need, curiosity, fear etc, photographs of people or with people in them are probably universally intriguing to everyone. Historical photographs probably also fall into our curiosity of the past.

Landscapes usually have an appeal if it's not what we see every day in our own experience.

Unfortunately now with the bombardment of images we probably have become jaded to most pictures except the primal ones that deal with fear, sex, death, and maybe hope.
 

lxdude

Member
Joined
Apr 8, 2009
Messages
7,094
Location
Redlands, So
Format
Multi Format
Porn.
Oh, wait. You said "art."

Ok then- "erotica".
 

benjiboy

Subscriber
Joined
Apr 18, 2005
Messages
11,989
Location
U.K.
Format
35mm

If the word Eskimo isn't politically correct these days they are going to have to re write the poem, because Inuit Nell just doesn't have the same ring to it
 

MattKing

Moderator
Moderator
Joined
Apr 24, 2005
Messages
53,664
Location
Delta, BC Canada
Format
Medium Format
benjiboy said:
If the word Eskimo isn't politically correct these days they are going to have to re write the poem, because Inuit Nell just doesn't have the same ring to it
Click to expand...

Apparently the poorly translated Esquimaux means something like "eater of raw meat" to many, many people, and that is considered to be pejorative.

Sort of like calling photographers "pixel peepers"
 

MattKing

Moderator
Moderator
Joined
Apr 24, 2005
Messages
53,664
Location
Delta, BC Canada
Format
Medium Format

MattKing

Moderator
Moderator
Joined
Apr 24, 2005
Messages
53,664
Location
Delta, BC Canada
Format
Medium Format

Thomas Bertilsson

Member
Joined
Jan 21, 2003
Messages
15,708
Location
Switzerland
Format
Multi Format

KenS

Member
Joined
Jan 2, 2005
Messages
941
Location
Lethbridge, S. Alberta ,
Format
Multi Format
Re "Universal appreciation of photographic art"

Hi Clive,

Withe reference to your opening sentence
I understand that Eskimos have more words to describe snow than people who have less experience of snow.
Click to expand...

Note: I am NOT angry

I'm not sure of where you live.. but 'these days' it is probably more politically correct to refer to the Northern Canadian aboriginal peoples (generally) as Inuit.

I'm just finishing my BFA at the local university (yeah... at 73 its much easier haul that I expected) and in both my Native Art History courses it was indicated that 'they' prefer Inuit over 'Eskimo' which, if my ageing memory serves me well enough, was the word for 'raw flesh eater'... However.... it is a custom still observed on a successful seal hunt that the raw liver be eaten before it has had time to cool.

Ken
 
OP
OP

cliveh

Subscriber
Joined
Oct 9, 2010
Messages
7,588
Format
35mm RF

I stand corrected and perhaps I should have said Inuit, as Eskimo is probably more a generic term.
 

Gerald C Koch

Member
Joined
Jul 12, 2010
Messages
8,131
Location
Southern USA
Format
Multi Format
If the neighboring tribes referred to the Inuit as "eaters of raw flesh" I wonder what the Inuit called their neighbors?

My reaction to most political correctness is colored by the legal maxim De minimis non curat lex. I remember reading an article in the Orlando Seninel scolding its readers not to refer to a particular type of radio as a "ghetto blaster." Do the radios get offended when they hear this term? So little of what is termed political correctness rises above mere silliness. Words have no power over us unless we give them this power. I learned this from my great uncle who lost his sight at the age of 18. Never once did I ever hear him express any self pity. If anyone had said that he was "challenged" he would have laughed at them and said something like "No you damn fool I'm blind." He had his own successful furniture business.
 
Last edited by a moderator:

batwister

Member
Joined
Sep 4, 2010
Messages
913
Location
Midlands, UK
Format
Medium Format
If the pictures had some kind of aesthetic slant (with snow it would surely be about subtle tonalities, light and formal studies of drifts, etc), they wouldn't get it. They would need some understanding of the art of photography - which is an invention of western culture. An Inuit would read a photograph simply as a slightly beguiling illustration - meaning they might be able to identify a certain consistency of snow*, but the aesthetic appeal of the pictures would be lost on them. The art of photography isn't universal in that case.

*I read something about indigenous Africans being shown photographs of flies that carried diseases, but they couldn't identify them because the pictures were macro. They had never seen flies magnified before, so couldn't process what they were seeing. In many ways, you can't see what you haven't seen before. A photograph shows the world in two dimensions, so the information is distorted from the get go. Snow, in a photograph, especially if it's covering the entire frame, can appear abstract even to us.
 
OP
OP

cliveh

Subscriber
Joined
Oct 9, 2010
Messages
7,588
Format
35mm RF

blansky

Member
Joined
Nov 6, 2002
Messages
5,952
Location
Wine country, N. Cal.
Format
Medium Format
Jesus if you want to get upset about Inuit vs Eskimo which of course should be decided by the people themselves what they wish to be called how about the travesty of calling aboriginal Canadian and US people "Indians".

Columbus, and his fellow explorers, for Christ sakes was looking for fucking India/Indies when he stumbles upon the Dominican Republic and later South America and called the people Indians. And that was 1492ish. He never actually landed in discovered or set foot in N America. In fact the first people here, the aboriginals DISCOVERED N. America and then probably the Vikings and before them maybe the Chinese and before that maybe the Polynesians. The first European was John Cabot in 1497 and Amerigo Vespucci in 1499.

And today we still in many circles call native people such a stupid derogatory mistake.

Un-fucking-believable.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Menu
Log in
Register
Cookies are required to use this site. You must accept them to continue using the site. Learn more…