The Canon 50mm f/2.5 macro with the 1:1 extender added (becomes f/3.4 I believe?)
First, a lens's "marked" focal length is determined by when it is focused at infinity. A 50mm lens focuses at infinity at 50mm, 100 at 100, 500 at 500... The real focal length depends on where you focus. Adjusting focus with most 50mm lenses internally changes the "actual" focal length in use.Ok so,
It's my understanding that when you add an extended (hollow tube) onto a lens, this shortens your depth of field.
Baring that this is correct....
How do I figure out which would have more DOF at a given F/Stop...
The Canon 50mm f/2.5 macro with the 1:1 extender added (becomes f/3.4 I believe?)
Or the Canon 100mm f/2.8 L lens?
I'm not saying I want to shoot them both wide open necessarily I'm just wondering say they are both set to f/11 with the same lighting setup etc, how will the extender effect my DOF?
Which of the two will have a wider depth?
Thanks!
This is why depth of field preview button/lever is a critical feature in macro photography so you can check what is in focus.
Depth of field is purely a function of f/stop and magnification.
So no matter how you achieve the magnification you seek - macro lens, extension tubes, change in focal length, you will end up with the same depth of field if you use the same f/stop.
You may end up with different working distances with different combinations, and that can change both the perspective and the ease of lighting, but that won't change the depth of field.
What Matt said.
Stone, there are no magic bullets. It would be nice if they existed, but they don't, except in fairy tales and at least one opera.
The 'effective' stop at close focusing distances should be though of more like a T-stop rather than an F-stop - it does not alter the depth of field but only the light transmission. Same as on LF when focusing closer.
Otherwise, what Matt said about DoF & image magnification in the macro range.
The most critical thing to bear in mind is what size your final print will be as that define your circle-of-confusion for DoF calculations.
First, a lens's "marked" focal length is determined by when it is focused at infinity. A 50mm lens focuses at infinity at 50mm, 100 at 100, 500 at 500... The real focal length depends on where you focus. Adjusting focus with most 50mm lenses internally changes the "actual" focal length in use.
The simplest way to focus on things closer than the infinity focus point is by moving the lens away from the film, so, a 50mm lens moves out to a minimum focal local of 100mm when the 50mm extender is added. That combo can not be made to focus at infinity, the focus range becomes very short and very close to the camera.
The 100mm lens would need to move to 200mm to focus in a similar manner, and so on... (the exact point of focus will not be the same but that's a subject for a different discussion)
So no, the 100mm lens will not do the same work as a 50mm lens with a 50mm extender. The 50+50 setup will focus much closer to the camera.
The maximum diameter of the lens aperture of a 50mm lens at f/2.5 is 20mm. (50/2.5=20)
When the same lens is used at 100mm (50+50), the f# is 5 (100/20=5)
Side note:
I totally miss spoke in my original post, one of the main things that makes the 50mm a 1:1 is not an air spaced extension tube, it's a "life size converter" in that the aditional extender has an element in it, similar to a 1.4x or 2x extender.
Given this info, is it possible the effective FL is being changed?.
Given this info, is it possible the effective FL is being changed?
I ask this because the 100mm arrived today and at full 1:1 they BOTH (anecdotally) cover the same viewing area, as in when the dandelion core was in focus, the outer dandelion seed "feathers?" Stems were at the same spot at the edge of the frame.
So is it possible that this "lifesize converter" is actually a close-to-2x-converter for this macro lens?
Now I really don't understand what you are asking!I should have said the apparent depth within the frame. This changes when you get closer and extend the lens to 1:1. You get a "cropping" effect, which lowers the appearance of the depth. I know what you mean, I wasn't clear enough.
Now I really don't understand what you are asking!
But I'll essentially repeat what I said:
"Depth of field" is a function of f/stop and magnification only.
No matter how you get to 1:1 (as an example) magnification, it will still be 1:1.
Your effective f/stop may vary with your method of achieving that magnification, but that has to due with how marked f/stops differ from actual f/stops as effective focal length changes with close focusing - i.e. the effective f/stop of a 50mm macro lens focused to 1:1 and set to f/11 may differ from a 100mm macro lens focused to 1:1 and set to f/11, unless the lenses are designed to change the effective f/stop as they focus closer.
Now, if you are really asking instead about the differences in perspective one encounters when one changes their working distance, then the various methods of achieving a particular magnification such as 1:1 will give you different results, because each method will result in your being a different distance from your subject when you are at 1:1.
Just like any other perspective related situation, the farther you are from the subject, the flatter the subject appears.
Depth of field is purely a function of f/stop and magnification..
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