since to the best of my knowledge only Kodak and Ilford make T-Grains.....
They still do and it's still not a pure tabular grain film. It's a mixed emulsion with a fairly high tabular grain content; higher than you'd get with more old fashioned emulsion ripening techniques, but by far not as controlled as tmax or delta emulsions.foma made creativ200 which was an awesome film.
They still do and it's still not a pure tabular grain film. It's a mixed emulsion with a fairly high tabular grain content; higher than you'd get with more old fashioned emulsion ripening techniques, but by far not as controlled as tmax or delta emulsions.
Honestly, where does Photo Warehouse come up with these names?
I guess if you want the real thing, you gotta buy the real thing.
UPDATE: I just did. Buy the real thing. 100' roll at Freestyle, $84. Adorama and B&H, $130. What the heck?
If you want T-Max 400, buy that.
I don't understand your complaint that something that isn't T-Max isn't T-Max.
It seems that the middle line above was always the conclusion you'd reach based on your scepticism of the company's claim and you duly did. For such companies to thrive there has to be a change in our collective view of such claims. We seem to have lost our healthy scepticism of yesteryear or we regard false claims as more the "norm" that we once did and at best a minor, if not even a lovable fault if presented in, dare I say it, a Barnum fashion.
If something sounds too good to be true it usually is as you suspected was the case and have now concluded
pentaxuser
Agfa makes T-grain films too.
Still available fresh in the USA.
I can only guess. I would suspect possibly both: (1) stringent process control seems inevitable to reliably make pure tabular emulsions and (2) there may be other strict process tolerances beyond just ripening, e.g. in thickness of the coated emulsion. I'm hazarding a guess here. It may very well be the case that a full tabular emulsion would complicate production in too many ways to make the effort worthwhile for Foma. On a sidenote, I have had significant problems with Foma 200 film in 120 format that seem to be due to insufficient control over the coating process, which could (hazarding a guess) relate to the considerations I mentioned.But do you think that’s because Foma has less stringent process control, or because they didn’t want to go all the way to a T-grain emulsion?
As you hint at, there’s nothing particularly magical about a T-grain emulsion...it’s all in the system for controlling precipitation and ripening.
Not always. See the Arista 100 and 400 films a few years ago. Plus-X and Tri-X for $2/roll.
I believe that Ultra Fine 100 and 400 is made by Harmon, seems to similar to Ketmare (sp?), 100 and 400. In the past Ultrafine sold a lot brands rebranded. They would buy Iflord rolls and cut to sheet sizes. During the collapse of the market Freestyle sold rebranded Kodak, Ilford, (Not HP5 or other current films) and Fuji. Those are long gone. I have use Freestyle T grain 400, not a bad film, not sure who they got it from. As far as Extreme films, 100 and 400 goes, I use a lot of it as my shoot around film, 35mm and 120. I like the 100 best, develop in D76, DDX, Rodinal, and MCM 100. The 400 is ok, but needs a fine grain developer, D76 1:1 works well as does Microdal X. When I need speed tend towards TMAX 400.
Possible Kodak WL2210? That was t-grain 400speed Surveillance film on estar base, basically the old style tmax 400 before it was changed to the new tmy2. I bought a bulk roll of that stuff of ebay a couple years back. Was fairly good stuff but of course not as good as the modern kodak tmy2.
Here is an older link from here about it https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/surveillance-film.15323/
Paul let me ask : Is it this film you refer about ?Honestly, where does Photo Warehouse come up with these names?
Anyway, if you don't know, they market a film allegedly since 1989 allegedly T-Grain. Rolls around $4, long rolls.....oops, never in stock....never mind. I've been mighty curious, since to the best of my knowledge only Kodak and Ilford make T-Grains.....maybe Acros was a designer grain, too.......and Ilford didn't come out with Delta after that alleged 1989 date by several years.
I placed an order for the Ultrafine Extreme.....honestly, where does Photo Warehouse come up with these names?...... 100 for a knock about and developer testing film. So I added 5 rolls of the, altogether now, Ultramax.
I use D-76 for a reference developer for new films, but in this case I went straight to my DK-50 diluted 1:1. Just call me impetuous. Per a solid bit of advice on another forum, I use T-Max 1:4 development times for that developer. Always right in the ballpark, like with the Extreme 100.
My first impression out of the tank was that it could have used another 15% more time. But on the scanner, close to perfect.
The film itself is nothing like the T-Max's. Not the base, it's thinner. Different leader color. No pink fixer stain. Only markings are numerical frame counters.
I was real disappointed in the grain, for allegedly being a T type. I went back and looked at my TMY scans and the difference is like a T-Max (of course), and a conventional grain film. Since I don't have any scans of TX of HP5+, I'm just making a jump of logic here.
I'll just use the Ultramax as a faux TX or similar.
I was going to provide scans, but somehow despite all the whirring and results showing, they didn't make it to the hard drive. Technology. What a love/hate relationship.
I guess if you want the real thing, you gotta buy the real thing.
UPDATE: I just did. Buy the real thing. 100' roll at Freestyle, $84. Adorama and B&H, $130. What the heck?
This is a good hint Jon - but who knows?Possible Kodak WL2210? That was t-grain 400speed Surveillance film on estar base, basically the old style tmax 400 before it was changed to the new tmy2. I bought a bulk roll of that stuff of ebay a couple years back. Was fairly good stuff but of course not as good as the modern kodak tmy2.
Here is an older link from here about it https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/surveillance-film.15323/
It's cheap for a reason. It's some anonymous movie duplication film stock, very thin base, suffers tremendously from light piping, grain is comparable to what you'd expect from a 200 or 400 speed film although TMY2 will be somewhat less grainy. Quite pronounced toe too. Don't get me wrong, I like it for the occasional project, but it's unfit for general purpose use IMO.Paul a very extreme cheap film was this here :
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?