Ultra 200 - Sole Edge Marking

pentaxuser · May 8, 2019

This may be a question largely or solely for U.S members. I developed a 120 film which, from info on another forum is likely to be Fomapan 200. The backing paper was black on the outside and had no information on it other than the frame marking for 645 6x6 and 6x9. It was sealed by a white gummed label which had a B in black and a W in white with a black outline and said Pan 200 - not Fomapan 200.

On its edge of the film post development was only frame numbers and "ULTRA 200"

From research on Photrio this looks to be Fomapan 200.

Is this EDU Ultra 200 film and is it EDU ( Freestyle brand) that gets Foma to mark it with ULTRA 200 or does Fomapan bought from Foma also have ULTRA 200 on its edge?

I suppose the ideal person(s) to answer this is someone who has bought both a Fomapan 200 and a EDU ULTRA 200 film who will know what differences, if any, there are with the edge markings but contributions from EDU ULTRA 200 users and Fomapan 200 users will enable me to ascertain if there are any differences in the edge markings

Thanks

pentaxuser

MattKing · May 8, 2019

Edge markings will vary with the contract specifications of the re-brander.

koraks · May 8, 2019

Fomapan branded film is also marked "Ultra 200" on the edges.

pentaxuser · May 8, 2019

Thanks both.
koraks, your message confirms that it might well have been a Fomapan film which in Europe is more likely to be the case than an Arista re-branded film finding its way across the Atlantic. As both films are the same it makes no practical difference but I was curious to know if Foma differentiates film sold under the Foma label from film it allows another party to label as Arista

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Agulliver · May 10, 2019

I've definitely got 120 Fomapan 400 with "Ultra 400" on the edge markings. This is the regular Foma branded film, in Foma's retail boxes purchased from a British retailer.

pentaxuser · May 10, 2019

Agulliver said:
I've definitely got 120 Fomapan 400 with "Ultra 400" on the edge markings. This is the regular Foma branded film, in Foma's retail boxes purchased from a British retailer.

Thanks Agulliver. I noticed that when hung to dry and even with weighted clips on the bottom for nearly 2 days, the film still had a tendency to curl. Is this something that can be cured by placing the film in a sleeve then heavy books on top and if so how long does it need to permanently lie flat? Once flatness is achieved under the books can I take it that there is no return to any more of a curl than say Ilford or Kodak films which I find are always flat after a few hours of hanging?

Thanks

pentaxuser

Agulliver · May 10, 2019

I've had two rolls curl as you describe. I'm unsure why they curled and others did not....and yes, I flattened them under a couple of heavy books before putting the neg sleeves in a binder. A few months on they have not curled again so I think once flattened all is good.

My guess is that my washing technique differed between rolls, causing two to curl and the rest not.

pentaxuser · May 10, 2019

Thanks, Agulliver. I think the answer may be that you might have been lucky with the films you didn't need to flatten and Fomapan film is just inherently more curly so little or nothing to do with what you did in terms of washing method. Good to know that once flattened it stays flat

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Agulliver · May 11, 2019

I don't find Fomapan inherently curly compared to Ilford or Kodak. I've shot more in 135 though, perhaps 400 feet of Foma 100 and 200 in the last four years. The 120 may be different in this regard, I've shot about 10 rolls mostly 400 with a couple of 100.

MattKing · May 11, 2019

The substrate for 120 is usually quite different from the substrate for 135. It can be of different thickness, and the need to deal with backing paper instead of anti-halation layers makes for a number of differences.
Curl problems usually relate to a combination of the components of the film and how the film dries after development, and humidity can play a huge role.

koraks · May 11, 2019

In addition, 120 film generally has an anti-curling gelatin coating to the backside; this adds to the fundamental difference between 135 and 120 film of the same type. Evidently, the anti-curl layer in fomapan film isn't 100% effective, but I personally find the curl in this film completely manageable and not bothersome.

abruzzi · May 11, 2019

I just finished scanning 8 rolls of 120 including some Ilford (FP4+ and PanF+), Kodak (TMX, TMY), and Fomapan 100. The Fomapan was noticeably thinner, and had a gradual longitudinal curl to it, despite a week or so being pressed flat. (and, yes, it was marked Ultra 100.)

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