Tungsten Slide Films

holmburgers · Nov 8, 2010

Ektagraphic said:
All film should switch to being either ECN-2 or C-41

Seriously! Maybe someday that will be a viable cost saving measure for Kodak and Fuji.

500T does sound awesome, and why there are/were no high-speed tungsten films is beyond me, honestly. Why would anyone need a 1600 daylight film??? It makes no sense

frobozz · Nov 12, 2010

OK, asking here since this is the newer thread: anyone succeeded in getting cinelab to process a 36-exposure roll of ECN-2 film?

Duncan

perkeleellinen · Nov 12, 2010

holmburgers said:
500T does sound awesome, and why there are/were no high-speed tungsten films is beyond me, honestly.

My dream film would be Fuji Pro 800T

Fastest tungsten film back then was Scotch 640T

holmburgers · Nov 12, 2010

frobozz, Ektagraphic claims to have had success with cinelab. I emailed them and never heard a thing, so IDK. Maybe it's not their idea of a good time, even though they'll do it occasionally. I think a lab could make a small side-biz doing this though

B&Wpositive · Nov 12, 2010

holmburgers said:
frobozz, Ektagraphic claims to have had success with cinelab. I emailed them and never heard a thing, so IDK. Maybe it's not their idea of a good time, even though they'll do it occasionally. I think a lab could make a small side-biz doing this though

Try calling them. They answered and talked at length when I called. I think you'll have more success on the phone. I spoke with Brad. I'm personally too busy with Kodachrome at the moment to do anymore with this.

Ektagraphic · Nov 12, 2010

I am seriously going to order some within the next day or two and I will probably pick up about 20 ft. to see how it goes.

holmburgers · Nov 12, 2010

B&Wpositive, so were they receptive to the idea... I mean, they'll do it? Perhaps I shall give them a call.

Ektagraphic, if you get more than you want, I'd be interested in a roll or two, or three.

Ektagraphic · Nov 12, 2010

Well maybe I'll put some in my bulk loader and roll up maybe 8 rolls for people?

frobozz · Nov 13, 2010

I'll have to check what's in the fridge, but if what you lack is the film I could send you some! I don't think I have any 500T, or maybe even anything-T, probably more like 250D. I'm away until the end of the week, so you might get it faster by buying some. That place you linked to earlier sells short short ends of 500T for .15 a foot. That's $15 per 100 ft, easily the cheapest bulk 35mm film on the planet!

Duncan

B&Wpositive · Nov 15, 2010

holmburgers said:
B&Wpositive, so were they receptive to the idea... I mean, they'll do it? Perhaps I shall give them a call.

Ektagraphic, if you get more than you want, I'd be interested in a roll or two, or three.

Yes, they sounded willing to give it a shot.

Ektagraphic said:
Well maybe I'll put some in my bulk loader and roll up maybe 8 rolls for people?

I'd be willing to pay you for cost of film, cassettes, and postage, plus an extra couple of dollars for rolling a few 36 exp rolls of 500T. My bulk loader isn't working and I haven't gotten around to getting a new one yet.

holmburgers · Nov 15, 2010

That's great.. this could be a lot of fun!

Mustafa Umut Sarac · Nov 25, 2010

I found filmemporium - 5th at google search - sells many many most modern Kodak Movie Films at a price 0,16 dollars per feet and they cut whatever you want.
I looked their 35 mm Kodak page and there are films and their sample shots at their side.
I liked some of them and hated some of them.
Some cold steel blue sea and discusting yellow , red like digital also available at their collection.
I dont know what happened to 50s excellent technicolor colors but some of new movies have terrible colors like Da Vinci Code.
I found lowest listed vision 3 200 ASA film which have some fashion shots are the closest 70s ektachrome real kodak shots.
Holmburgers , 100 feet cost 16 dollars plus shipping from ground ups costs 12 dollars to kansas.
Yes older the Leica is better , older the Kodak is better.
They could not do it upside down !
And 10 spoon of borax to few liters of warm water and a sponge reported at Cinema Konvas forum for to remove carbon backing in a glue.
Than C41.
I saw some 5222 BW Double X D76 pictures at that forum and this is the film I wanted , light gives an texture , not death film.

Umut

frobozz · Nov 25, 2010

I ordered 200' of short ends of Vision3 500T from FilmEmporium, assuming I'd get 2 or 3 spools that added up to that much - what I got was a factory sealed 200' can! To my knowledge Kodak doesn't currently sell it on 200' spools, but the film has not been on the market that long so either they only offered it that way for a short time, or it was a special order for someone who didn't use all of it, and who sold the leftovers to FilmEmporium. I have the split reels and winders necessary to spool it down to fit in my bulk loaders, what I don't have for another week or two is TIME. Assuming nobody else has made any progress on this before then, I'll send out some 36-exposure carts to people that want to try it - might as well get Cinelab a lot of business! (At .16 a foot I'm not worried about the cost of giving some of it away to fellow enthusiasts...) I also have some older 250D from both Kodak and Fuji.

Duncan

B&Wpositive · Dec 14, 2010

Anyone had any time to make any progress yet?

frobozz · Dec 15, 2010

I got 100 ft of Vision3 500T spooled off the bigger roll and onto a core for my bulk loader. My *(&(*&%%^& rewind post broke as I was putting the split reel on, so I had to do it by hand. Lots of fun in the dark! I just need to find a few spare minutes to spool some down into 36-exposure carts now. And go shoot some pictures! I did grab a sturdier set of rewinds on ebay for when I spool down the 250D.

If a few of you want a couple of rolls of the 500T to try, I'd be happy to send them to you free of charge. (I was hoping to offer the 250D at the same time but I can't do that until the rewinds get here.) PM me your address and I'll mail them out. I'll post back here if a crazy number of people have taken me up on it, to stop the offer, but assuming it's just a few people that plan to follow through with this and shoot it and get cinelab to process it, no problem.

Duncan

ArtTwisted · Dec 15, 2010

Im relatively new to all of this and what not but isint the new Portra 400 very very similar to the 500T your all trying to get. You can see some comparisons of them here, both in terms of colour and low light. I understand the colour balance is different but surely thats an easier fix then cutting down huge rolls of cine film and finding a specialist lab, filter over the lens maybe? quick photoshop layer for those who scan.

comparison by twinlenslife --- http://www.twinlenslife.com/search/label/Editorial

holmburgers · Dec 15, 2010

A filter puts you back to 100 ISO, thus defeating the purpose of a fast film. Besides, this kind of experiment is fun.

Who wouldn't want more options? ECN-II for still photographers would open up a huge world. 50D anyone???

Good points though... if we're scanning anyways, the corrections could be made post, and with daylight film.

So to clarify, there's no orange mask on ECN-II films, is that right?

frobozz · Dec 15, 2010

Interesting comparison!

The 500T is available for nearly free as short ends, that's one reason to mess with it. 100 ft of movie film is next to worthless ($16) to someone shooting 35mm movie film, but that's a dang good price for 18 36 exposure rolls once you run it through a bulk loader. If I had ordered only 100 ft of it I wouldn't have to mess with the split reels and rewinds, but I ordered 200 ft (expecting to get a couple of 100 ft sections) and got 200 feet of brand new film in a sealed can! If you stalk ebay, I believe it would be possible to get it even cheaper still, in 400 ft rolls, which yes would have the problem of spooling it down, but would also be a nearly endless supply of 36 exposure rolls.

And hey, if this works out, we can have Vision4 film in our still cameras long before Kodak releases a Portra variant!

Interesting that in those articles they mention getting it processed at Technicolor. They must know someone who works there and was willing to deal with short pieces of film for them or something. I wouldn't normally expect Technicolor to bother with such nothing work, being such a huge company and all.

Duncan

frobozz · Dec 15, 2010

Actually I believe an 85B filter would put you down to 320 ISO, but the point is valid.

If I read that article correctly, they simply shot everything unfiltered and did only minor tweaking in Photoshop.

I plan to shoot it unfiltered (and filtered) in daylight just to see how off it really is.

Duncan

holmburgers · Dec 15, 2010

Well you need an 80A I believe, which is 2 stops.

frobozz · Dec 15, 2010

80A goes the other way - lets you shoot on daylight film using tungsten lighting.

Duncan

holmburgers · Dec 15, 2010

Exactly, he was suggesting shooting Portra 400 with filtration, soo....

But we know what we're talking about

frobozz · Dec 15, 2010

Ah, right, duh.

Duncan

perkeleellinen · Dec 16, 2010

Does anyone know of a Euro-based ECN lab that's happy to deal with amateurs sending in short strips of film?

willrea · Dec 16, 2010

500T looks interesting indeed.

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