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Pasukaru

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Hello,

I would like to read some suggestions about buying a tungsten light for black and white film portrait to use in studio. The fluorescent light is not enought powerfull.
What brand do you suggest me and where can I buy the light? I am in California.
My budget is around 100-200 dollars.

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http://www.cowboystudio.com/

I bought a cheap two light kit from this place a few years ago (well under $100), I'm satisfied with the quality, but then I don't use them very often. Spend some extra $$ and invest in Smith-Victor gear for continuous light.
 

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Tungsten-Halogen work lights such as http://m.lowes.com/pd/Utilitech-1-Light-500-Watt-Halogen-Stand-Work-Light/50056889 might do. However, the stands are rather short for standing portraits, and the direct light is too harsh for most portraits. The light can be softened by reflecting it from a large panel or beaming it through diffusing cloth. I've used cotton sheets draped over a T-bar on top of a light stand for both. Don't get any flammable material close to these lights!
 

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I shot tungsten for years with no model problems. I did crank up the AC in the (Dallas) summers. But I was using agency girls, they may have been used to it - but I doubt the makeup people would have liked me baking the models! I never had to stick the lights that close to the girls. Generally I've found them to be cozy, not uncomfortable. They're great for nudes for that reason, too.

Tungsten is especially great because you can use dimmers - flo units need to have dimmers built into the ballasts.

My go-to tungsten lights then (and still today) were twofold:

Open faced - watch ebay/etc for used theatrical open-faced lights, the rectangular ones. They're essentially "work lights" with real spuds (stand adapters) and barn doors. They take the cheap work-like bulbs from 100 to 1k, so a wide range of output without dimming. I use these for bounce or shine them through diffusion. And though I have many big panels of "real" diffusion, I also have piles of fabric-store stuff - rip-stop nylon, cotton, sheer-ish curtains, etc. Just don't get them too close...

Fresnels - I have some higher-end Arri-style stuff, but I started with used theatrical fresnels... 6" lens with 500 - 1k globes, 3" with 250 - 300 watts, and 2" with 100 - 150. They give a soft but directional light. Lots of fresnels out there used. They're perfect in a soft scenario for hair and that hotter side-of-face/cheekbones look, or to get patterns on backgrounds. Or pop out the lens and you have another open faced fixture. Cool-Lights (google) is a US lighting designer that manufactures in China, decent fresnels, great service.

There are hundreds of low-priced Chinese Arri knockoff fresnels on eBay - many people report good experiences for the money, but I'd check the wiring first! About the only way to reliably and affordably find a very small (150, 2" lens) fresnel, which is a hella-handy fixture to have. (The most dangerous fixture I've ever owned? The Photogenic mini-spot. B&H still sells this POS).

If you can find a used LTM pepper for a good price, grab it though.

For flos, there are plenty of chinese-made Kino knockoffs out there, using the 55w biax lamp - a 4-bulb unit puts out about 1k worth of daylight (while pulling 250 watts) and Amazon usually has them for under $200, and they're all over eBay. They're already fairly "soft" but usually can stand more diffusing. I have several quads and duals and they've held up very well, but I use them for video work mostly. Go that route and you'll still need fresnels for the fresnel look - and if you shoot color, you'll need CTB gels to match things (and most flos still need some minus-green and/or 1/4 CTO to get even close to the richness tungsten has in color work). BTW, a 4-bank quad up close does put out some heat, and their throw is weak - they always seem to be in much closer than an adjusted - equivalent tungsten fixture.

Harbor Freight sells "router speed control" boxes that are great dimmers, $15-$20 or so and they'll handle 1k - a household dimmer is usually rated for 600w, and I've found they burn out with much amperage.

Having shot a lot of commercial fashion over the years, I still feel a pack/head setup or monolights give me the most control, unless I want to use very fast film. If you go that route, you should look for something that can adequately hold a big softbox, and stands that will work for that. A softbox for tungsten is pretty expensive, cheap for strobes, and there are some looks that are very difficult to get with diffusion and cards but instant with a softbox.

But I get it if you have a thing for tungsten and shooting more "WYSIWYG" than strobes, there are times I much prefer it myself. Tungsten is really simple light, but I'd avoid the "work lights" for open-faced - there are usually dozens of various studio and theatrical open-faced units on eBay, with "real" spuds and workable barn doors.
 

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Freestyle Photo, an APUG sponsor, carries a couple floodlight kits, and they are in California.

check the Cowboy Studio products.good bang for the buck or start consideringa studio flash pack,which is probably outside yout budget,even soSpeedotron may come close.Their Brownline series is also save to buy 2nd hand;very durable
 

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On B&W pan film I generally like white folks shot with an orange filter, tungsten minimizes my need for aesthetic filtration.

Anyway, if you have a limited budget then almost any tungsten can work somehow. The shop lights are a great idea and can be softened or hardened as needed in the same shot with one set of lights, or even just one light. Since photography is all about appearances one of the most helpful things to learn is making more seem like less.

No, wait, scratch that, reverse it.

For instance, with one shop light and a couple of mirrors one can direct the light in multiple places. I like plexiglass mirrors for larger spread and smaller beauty mirrors for a tighter spread, but the light will always mimic the quality and shape of the mirror. So one could use a mirror to reflect a key light and another mirror to reflect a back light all from the same source. And if one uses a larger plexiglass mirror then one can twist the mirror to bend or distort the light for a more interesting shape!

Voila, one Light into multiple sources or effects.

I did not come up with this, it's just one of the MANY lessons on Dean Collins videos.

edit to add: This is on his "The Best of Dean Collins on Lighting" video, also available at B&H, my favourite.


 
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Dan's got some great tips - but I'd seriously look into skipping the home-depot worklight - you'll still need a stand adapter and you'll miss having barn doors.

EBay is full of new and used open-faced stuff that's ready to go... just mountains of it some weeks. If it's really old stuff, you might want to check the wiring, but at a minimum something that attaches to a standard light stand and has barn doors will make you a much happier camper!
 

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Dan's got some great tips - but I'd seriously look into skipping the home-depot worklight - you'll still need a stand adapter and you'll miss having barn doors.

EBay is full of new and used open-faced stuff that's ready to go... just mountains of it some weeks. If it's really old stuff, you might want to check the wiring, but at a minimum something that attaches to a standard light stand and has barn doors will make you a much happier camper!

Blackwrap / Cinefoil can be used to make barndors, snoots, flags, gobo's, cookie's, fingers & dots and lots of other stuff too.
 

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Blackwrap / Cinefoil can be used to make barndors, snoots, flags, gobo's, cookie's, fingers & dots and lots of other stuff too.

Most certainly, it's a killer product... but when possible, I'd rather just move a barn door a half inch than start wrapping lights! And the price for a roll of that would likely buy you a decent hot light with barndoors and an in-line switch. Just not a work light fan when there are less frustrating options available - though I do like the fixtures that take the worklight style double ended globes - the 100 - 300 watt versions are just a couple bucks, 500/650/750's not much more.

Vs. a work light, I'd much rather pay the same $$ for one of these... to each their own of course...
 

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Good find M. Carter! I hope someone here can snag that up!
 

M Carter

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Mountains of stuff on the bay today - and man!!! So many retro-cool fresnels - I want one with, like a 100 watt on a dimmer for a reading light by my bed - groovy groovy groovy!!!

With full awareness of this stuff being so subjective/personal, I'll throw in that for 15 years, the rectangular open face lights have been my bar-none favorites for bounce and diffusion... you can perfectly fill a diffusion panel with 'em, make tiny slots of light, and 4 of them will fit in a dairy crate since they close up so small... if you're patient you can find them for under $50. Colortran also makes a model that uses a shorter globe... having 4 or 5 of these, you can light a room or set very naturally.

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