Tryitall Workshop

keithwms · Dec 17, 2009

I wonder if there is interest in a black & white try-it-all workshop: basically a quick tour of all analogue equipment and b&w process as a way to help people find their tools and means. I imagine this to be a bit like trying every instrument in the orchestra, as a way to (quickly) find your favourite...

What I envision is a two-part workshop: the first focused on gear; the second on print processes. Maybe preceded by a quickstart to film for anyone coming from digital. Each stage could be a day or two or three, depending on how much demand there is. It'd be a round-robin workshop with everybody getting individual time with each piece of gear and process. Concluding with, you know, a big barbecue.

We can offer hands-on guidance through ~30 camera systems from 35mm to MF to 8x10 to 11x14. On the print side, we can give quick tours of all the printing process and I can commission friends to cover any processes with which I am not yet confident (alt stuff).

If such a thing would interest you, maybe respond here or shoot me a PM and say what your expectations would be. I guess it'd have to take place near my home base, I don't want to imagine schlepping a lot of gear and chems around.

Cost-wise, that could be worked out depending on interest level and how many participants there would be, but to keep things simple I imagine purchasing all supplies for all participants in advance, and standardizing the materials so that people can compare apples to apples when it comes to looking at final prints. Round-robin means it really would not be 5 people standing around one camera, it'd be more like 5 people shooting 5 different cameras. That is the idea.

Just a thought. Comments, suggestions, critique....

Ian Grant · Dec 17, 2009

There's a definite need for workshops like this.

Back in the spring while I was in the UK I spent half a day taking a new user (An APUG member) through working with Large Format, it's so easy to explain movements etc if you can actually show someone in a hands on way. Then we went out shooting for an hour before I got him loading a dev tank and processing his own negatives.

It's useful to be able to show a range of equipment and go through the pro's and cons.

So yes a great idea.

Ian

AshenLight · Dec 17, 2009

Perhaps a beginner's guide to alternative processes as well? Start with an easier to use process like cyanotype (traditional and/or Ware's) and move up to gum, Pt/Pd and carbon transfer.

Ash

Oops: Just saw that in your original post. Someday I'll learn how to read...

keithwms · Dec 17, 2009

Thanks for your thoughts Ian. Actually, you gave me another idea: the 'curriculum' could be standardized at one preliminary meeting of instructors, perhaps producing a text or guide of some sort. The instructors could go back to their home bases and lead the tryitalls in their area.

Hmm this is starting to sound a bit evangelistic Which flavour of kool-aid....

The issue of travel is always limiting who can afford to attend. But if we just think about gear and processes, there are probably a good dozen or so places where this could be done at a roughly equivalent level. Why not try to bring them all into one core lesson plan and then travel expenses will be minimized....

P.S. Ash, yes, the idea would be to cover all processes- traditional and alt and whatever. It'd be done at a level sufficient for participants to leave with the ability to do their own experimentation and they'd at least know what to buy to make that possible.

TheFlyingCamera · Dec 17, 2009

Keith-

I'd be interested in helping out with this in whatever capacity you need. Lord knows I've got the gear to fill in any gaps you might have.

Ian Grant · Dec 17, 2009

We really need a network of people across the world prepared to help, some might use the word mentor, photographers either entering the folmcommunity of expanding their horizons whether that be moving to new formats, basics of printing ar as mentioned alternative processes.

I think you posted this thread Keith after my suggestion that someone wanting to move up to Large format try contacting other LF users in his city, (there are quite a few in his case). We have members here joining Camera Clubs hoping to get help, but they are nearly all digital users in most, so there is a need for something else.

APUG get togethers etc are a useful way of allowing people to network & share information and of course there are quite a few members who lead workshops.

Ian

David A. Goldfarb · Dec 17, 2009

We've done quite a bit of that in the NYC area get-togethers, where one or two LF shooters will bring a spare 4x5" camera to let someone try it out, and of course everyone can check out everyone else's equipment, and when we've had gatherings for the Traveling Portfolio, usually there are a number of non-participants who bring portfolios of their own work to pass around, so everyone gets to see plenty of real prints made with various processes by different practitioners.

keithwms · Dec 17, 2009

TheFlyingCamera said:
Keith-

I'd be interested in helping out with this in whatever capacity you need. Lord knows I've got the gear to fill in any gaps you might have.

I was already assuming I could cajole you Scott Lord also knows that I have gaps...

David, I like the idea of seeing portfolios as a way to learn what the ultimate product can be.

3e8 · Dec 17, 2009

I would definitely be up for something like this, assuming it was in the DC/Eastern VA region.

Cheers,
Bryan

David Brown · Dec 17, 2009

A while back, I came up with an idea for an "intro to film" workshop. I was going to stick with 35mm (and maybe roll film) to start, but show everyone how to process film and basic printing. I finally decided that my darkroom was just to small to accomodate more than 1 or 2 people - and 2 would be pushing it. Now I've moved and have the space to build a large enough darkroom for teaching and workshops. But, it's not built yet.

Good luck with this project. Let us know how it goes and we may see a loose network of such things around the apug world.

I do know that some folks in Houston had a large format get together show and tell earlier this year. I'll see if I can conjur up some evidence of that.

EDIT: here's the link on LF forum: http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?t=45329

keithwms · Dec 17, 2009

David, you make the point that there are already a number places where people can be introduced to various gear and processes. If we simply catalogue who can do what and where, it may turn out that all the basic tools are within short travel distance of almost any apug member. If that's true then it's "just" an issue of organizing the groups and agreeing roughly on what will be presented and how much it'll cost.

totalamateur · Dec 17, 2009

Maybe a sticky calendar at the top of this forum? like a google calendar that gets updated with events and locations? currently you have to search through the various threads to see what's available.

flash26c · Dec 17, 2009

A lot of community colleges have begining classes of film with darkroom. Our continuing ecucation at work :<)

Ron

pentaxuser · Dec 17, 2009

Sounds like a great idea and best of luck from someone just too far away to be able to take advantage of it. If you kept pulling on the under the ocean telephone cable from the U.K. to the U.S.( does it still exist?) is there any chance you could shorten the gap to within rowing boat distance? :

pentaxuser

totalamateur · Dec 17, 2009

Perhaps we couldget you a lens long enough for your pentax that you could just watch from home.

LOL

asp.artist · Dec 17, 2009

I think its a good idea. I've taken large format and wet plate workshops in Phila, at Project Basho. But, the idea of developing a network with other photographers working in all these varied mediums is very intriguing. And a chance to try new mediums in other than a specific workshop would be good. I want to try them all! And I think you can ever place a value on the people and the ideas you would be exposed to in such a setting.

Anne

David Brown · Dec 17, 2009

keithwms said:
David, you make the point that there are already a number places where people can be introduced to various gear and processes. If we simply catalogue who can do what and where, it may turn out that all the basic tools are within short travel distance of almost any apug member. If that's true then it's "just" an issue of organizing the groups and agreeing roughly on what will be presented and how much it'll cost.

Keith, don't back off on your idea yet.

I came up with my idea because of interest in film on the Texas Photo Forum at the time. However, most of the talk was about how you couldn't get film, much less paper, chemicals, darkroom stuff, etc. I just wanted to set that record straight. (There is actually a darkroom forum on TPF now, so we got that settled.) However, there seemed to be a market for people who were "really into" photography but had no idea that you could still do analog. I thought a one-day social/demo event might be educational.

I think the same concept for 35mm users who just want to be exposed to large format is also viable, and they did sort of that thing in Houston. More power to you!

David A. Goldfarb · Dec 17, 2009

totalamateur said:
Maybe a sticky calendar at the top of this forum? like a google calendar that gets updated with events and locations? currently you have to search through the various threads to see what's available.

I don't think it would be hard to add a calendar, and it probably is something that comes with the software that's been edited out of APUG, just because we haven't needed it, but it is generally the case on APUG and on other discussion boards that content areas that aren't part of the forum aren't terribly well used, so it is probably good that we aren't using whatever default calendar scheme comes with vBulletin.

It would be interesting to have a sticky thread with just a list of workshops organized by date at the top of the forum and maybe a similar thread for gallery shows in the relevant forum, but they would have to be maintained by someone with moderator level authority for each respective thread. I know Sean can give someone moderator control over a forum, not sure about a thread, and we'd have to find a volunteer to keep the list up to date.

abr · Dec 17, 2009

As a newbie to most of it, I'd love a workshop like this. I am pretty much on the opposite side of the country, so the hitch would be getting there and funding such a trip, but I would definitely be interested, esp. if something happened out here in the PNW!

photobum · Jan 5, 2010

Keith, I'm sure you saw a couple of my Pt/Pd prints last year at the Afton Mt. gig. I would be willing to do a Pt/Pd coating/printing demo. I could also bring some 'Dorff or Linhof stuff.

I had hoped that you would ride north to see my setup as Pippin's hack monkey. Fear is good for the heart.

Jim Rhoades

keithwms · Jan 8, 2010

photobum said:
I had hoped that you would ride north to see my setup as Pippin's hack monkey. Fear is good for the heart.

Ha, picture this: me in Richard's sidecar with an 11x14, now that would be an entirely new genre in automotive photography.

I'd like to come up, let's let the weather improve though! And yes I definitely do remember your prints and it'd be great to arrange something.

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