Trix 400 with Ilford ID11 at ISO 250?

rayonline_nz · Jan 2, 2015

Hi all - my barber who is into photography told me Tri-X 400 at 250 with D76 develops at 6mins (1+1) was his favourite. Can anyone confirm this? This will be the first time pulling for me and Ilford doesn't list 250 on their datasheet - only 200 speed. He said Kodak D76 is the same as Ilford ID-11. Here where I am - I haven't seen any Kodak developer on the shelf.

The other question is I don't yet have scratches on my b/w negs. I don't have the space for darkroom printing but do scratches on the negs show up when one uses an enlarger to print? Ie - the scratches one might get in the camera or at the lab.

Tom Kershaw · Jan 2, 2015

D-76 is equivalent to ID-11 in functional terms.

Why would you have scratches on your negatives?

Tom

gone · Jan 3, 2015

I always shoot Tri-X at 250, but you don't need to pull it. That's about it's real ISO, or at least it's where it looks best when I shoot it. If you're developing it at 68 degrees, I give mine 8 minutes. That's w/ my water and thermometers. 7 minutes would probably do it, but I like mine at 8. 6 minutes sounds short to me.

The lab shouldn't be scratching your film, nor should the camera or the enlarging process.

bernard_L · Jan 3, 2015

Note the development times your barber gives you might serve as a good starting point but you might have to refine them

That is worded in a rather polite way. See the development time given by Eastman Kodak in:
http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/support/techPubs/f4017/f4017.pdf
that is, for D-76(1+1): 9'45" @ 20°C (60°F). And that is for a target CI of 0.56 only.
Would you rather believe your barber or Kodak Laboratories? Well, it's your film.

rayonline_nz · Jan 3, 2015

Cheers for that - maybe he meant undilted then. Kodak says 6.75mins. At the time he couldn't find his recipes (written).

Re: scratches. My b/w has never scratched other than using the plastic sleeves, I now use glassine and haven't had one scratch. I've had C41 from my lab or my camera which is a different camera to the b/w. Auto focus SLR for color and manual focus SLR I use for my b/w. Doing a test on a new OEM roll of Tri-X 400 on this AF SLR to check if it is the camera or not .... But hey, our last E6 lab have packed up and outsources it 10hr away. Prices were $17US equiv. unmounted and before like 2004 and to about maybe 2010 they were doube that when they were a Kodak Q Lab. A roll of 135 slides are like $36US a roll and Delta 100 for eg .. might cost $7-8US a roll. I've outsourced my lab sources myself to the USA and I import film from the USA.

RattyMouse · Jan 3, 2015

rayonline_nz said:
Hi all - my barber who is into photography told me Tri-X 400 at 250 with D76 develops at 6mins (1+1) was his favourite. Can anyone confirm this?

Post the phone number of your barber and I'll give him a call to confirm and let you know.

cjbecker · Jan 3, 2015

rayonline_nz said:
Hi all - my barber who is into photography told me Tri-X 400 at 250 with D76 develops at 6mins (1+1) was his favourite. Can anyone confirm this? This will be the first time pulling for me and Ilford doesn't list 250 on their datasheet - only 200 speed. He said Kodak D76 is the same as Ilford ID-11. Here where I am - I haven't seen any Kodak developer on the shelf.

The other question is I don't yet have scratches on my b/w negs. I don't have the space for darkroom printing but do scratches on the negs show up when one uses an enlarger to print? Ie - the scratches one might get in the camera or at the lab.

Do you want scratches on your negs?

brian steinberger · Jan 5, 2015

You didn't state whether you're shooting 35mm or 120. Tri-x in ID-11 1:1 is one of my favorite combinations. I shoot it in 120 at EI250 and develop 9-10 minute range. 6 minutes sounds way too short. I bet he gave you his times for D-76 undiluted.

BradS · Jan 5, 2015

1. Exposing Tri-X (400TX) at EI250 is not really 'pulling' the film. That's not really enough differnt from rated speed to make any difference (it's only 2/3 of a stop).

2. Ilford ID-11 and Kodak D-76 are more-or-less interchangeable in use if not in price and availability.

flavio81 · Jan 6, 2015

rayonline_nz said:
Hi all - my barber who is into photography told me Tri-X 400 at 250 with D76 develops at 6mins (1+1) was his favourite. Can anyone confirm this? This will be the first time pulling for me and Ilford doesn't list 250 on their datasheet - only 200 speed. He said Kodak D76 is the same as Ilford ID-11. Here where I am - I haven't seen any Kodak developer on the shelf.

Today i'll pick up from the lab a roll of 35mm HP5 rated as 200 and developed with D-76 1:1. I'll let you know how the results end up.

Trix 400 with Ilford ID11 at ISO 250?

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