tri-x "pan"? what is that?

pierods · Mar 5, 2009

I just received an order from fotoimpex.

i thought i was ordering tri-x:

http://www.fotoimpex.de/shop/de/ind... Rollfilme&artnr=3537&pn=0&sort=0&all=&items=

but what arrived was "profilm professional film tri-x pan 400 black & white"

from description:

Kodak 400 ISO 400/27 TriX highly sensitive panchromatic B / W film with classic crystal and grain structure. Fine-grained with good resolution. Good sharpness and Grauwertübertragung, very high exposure latitude, very good drawing shadows. The classic for the art and reportage photography.

Well..I don't mind trying something new, but WHAT IS IT?

Fotoguy20d · Mar 5, 2009

You got the right stuff. "Pan" is short for "panchromatic", which means that's it's sensitive to all visible colors, which is just what you want when you're taking a B&W picture of a colorful scene. It's just a name or a bit of marketing.

Dan

Ian Grant · Mar 5, 2009

From memory the original Tri-X wasn't full panchromatic. Pan just means Panchromatic which means the Black & white film has good sensitivity to all colours of the visible spectrum.

Ortho chromatic films aren't sensitive to Red light, some films were between the two, EFKE 25 still is Verichrome was, Veirichrome Pan was fully Panchromatic.

Ian

2F/2F · Mar 5, 2009

I assume that it is Tri-X 400, which is panchromatic, perhaps boxed differently for some market somewhere in the world. All common b/w films could technically be followed with "pan", though not too many are any more because it is assumed. If it is still there on product names, it is probably just for the sake of technicality, or because the product has been around forever and it was never taken off.

For what it's worth, the Ps in HP and FP stand for panchromatic (you get the choice of either Highspeed Panchromatic or Finegrained Panchromatic), and let us not forget Pan-F.

archphoto · Mar 5, 2009

This is German "Gründlichkeit" !
Tri-X was allway's a pan-film as long as I can remember (1975 or so).
You will love this this film: honest grain, great impression of sharpness.

Peter

pierods · Mar 5, 2009

Well, great, but it's not Kodak, so what is it? Tri-x knockoff? Something like an old tri-x? It's less expensive than Kodak's for sure!

gminerich · Mar 5, 2009

Hi:
Pan X Pan= ASA 32
Plus X Pan = ISO 125
Double X Pan= ASA 250
Tri X Pan = ISO 400 (320 Pro)
Royal X Pan = ASA 1200

In the way of the "X", an old time evplaned it to me (a very long time ago) is, Pan X = 1 stop, Plus X = 2 stops, XX = 2 1/2 stops, Tri X = 3 stops and Royal X Pan = 4 stops.

Pan = Pancrhomatic film.

The old film name included Pan. Kodak droped the Pan some time ago.

railwayman3 · Mar 5, 2009

As other posters have indicated, I'm sure it's the current Tri-X, perhaps a slight difference in labelling, maybe for different markets. Have a look at the local Kodak website for your country and Germany.

And I'm sure it's genuine Kodak....their legal department would jump from a great height onto anyone infringing their trade marks with counterfeit goods. And Fotoimpex is an established and reputable firm.

Mark Antony · Mar 5, 2009

pierods said:
Well, great, but it's not Kodak, so what is it? Tri-x knockoff? Something like an old tri-x? It's less expensive than Kodak's for sure!

What makes you think its not Kodak? Is it in a Yellow box? I think Kodak and Tri-x are registered trademarks I doubt anyone else is making Tri-x.

Tri x, Tri-x-pan, TX400 etc are all films made by Kodak and as far as I know the same thing.

I would trust Fotoimpex.
Mark

pierods · Mar 5, 2009

railwayman3 said:
As other posters have indicated, I'm sure it's the current Tri-X, perhaps a slight difference in labelling, maybe for different markets. Have a look at the local Kodak website for your country and Germany.

And I'm sure it's genuine Kodak....their legal department would jump from a great height onto anyone infringing their trade marks with counterfeit goods. And Fotoimpex is an established and reputable firm.

Sure, not a problem, I love fotoimpex. Just curious about the thing.

Anscojohn · Mar 5, 2009

pierods said:
Well, great, but it's not Kodak, so what is it? Tri-x knockoff? Something like an old tri-x? It's less expensive than Kodak's for sure!

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Well, it sure is labeled Kodak, is it not? And the description sure describes Tri-X. Interesting, though; is the fact that it is described as TriX professional, which I thought was always ASA (ISO?) 320, not 400.

Back in ye oldene Dayz, Tri-X was marketed as a Type C Panchromatic emulsion whilst other Kodak films were considered Type B Panchromatic; each type having slightly different red sensitivity, IIRC (never a given.) Also, IIRC, there was a Tri-X Ortho in sheet films.

Anscojohn · Mar 5, 2009

pierods said:
I just received an order from fotoimpex.

i thought i was ordering tri-x:

[Well..I don't mind trying something new, but WHAT IS IT?

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I continued searching the fotoimpex site and found the statement that their 35mm "profilm" was bulk loaded from original manufactur-rolls. As it says "the film is the same; the cartridge is different.

You purchased a 30 meter roll of bulk film, correct?

gminerich · Mar 5, 2009

Hi:

In the US Kodak changed the name about 2003. See http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/support/techPubs/f9/f9.pdf I could be differnt in Europe or Asia for labeling.

gminerich · Mar 5, 2009

In the USA Kodak changed the name/film about 2003. Refer to: http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/support/techPubs/f9/f9.pdf

Kodak may use the older name in Europe or Asia.

Ian Grant · Mar 5, 2009

Anscojohn said:
Back in ye oldene Dayz, Tri-X was marketed as a Type C Panchromatic emulsion whilst other Kodak films were considered Type B Panchromatic; each type having slightly different red sensitivity, IIRC (never a given.) Also, IIRC, there was a Tri-X Ortho in sheet films.

That equates to my saying it wasn't originally fully panchromatic, I think the film changed in the early 60's. I'm just looking at a 1941 set of spectrographs for the Agfa (Ansco) films and the classifications/types of Panchromatic films that were then available. Back in the UK I have similar data for early Tri-X.

Ian

Anscojohn · Mar 5, 2009

Ian Grant said:
That equates to my saying it wasn't originally fully panchromatic, I think the film changed in the early 60's. I'm just looking at a 1941 set of spectrographs for the Agfa (Ansco) films and the classifications/types of Panchromatic films that were then available. Back in the UK I have similar data for early Tri-X.

Ian

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Yes, indeed. And I remember, years ago, trying to find out if the Adox KB-14 (recently reintroduced, at the time, with production in Zagreb) which was listed as "orthopanchromatic" was a Type B or a Type C emulsion. For the life of me, I can't remember the answer!!:confused:
I know we on APUG went through the "orthopancromatic" dance some time back.
But I guess the simple answer (gosh, how we Apugers hate simple answers) for OP is that what he bought is Eastman Kodak TriX.

railwayman3 · Mar 5, 2009

Anscojohn said:
******
I continued searching the fotoimpex site and found the statement that their 35mm "profilm" was bulk loaded from original manufactur-rolls. As it says "the film is the same; the cartridge is different.

You purchased a 30 meter roll of bulk film, correct?

Does that mean that fotoimpex are loading the cartridges from bulk film themselves.

pierods · Mar 5, 2009

Anscojohn said:
******
I continued searching the fotoimpex site and found the statement that their 35mm "profilm" was bulk loaded from original manufactur-rolls. As it says "the film is the same; the cartridge is different.

You purchased a 30 meter roll of bulk film, correct?

nope. rolls. they don't say kodak either, they say profilm.

Anscojohn · Mar 5, 2009

railwayman3 said:
Does that mean that fotoimpex are loading the cartridges from bulk film themselves.

*****

Profilm bedeutet, dass wir die Filme aus original Meterware für Sie in preiswerte Patronen einspulen lassen. Der Film ist derselbe, die Patrone nicht.

Sort of, RWman, that's what I understand from the above. But in fotoimpex's web site, they have two entries: Kodak and KODAK. If you choose the former, the search engine takes you to the bulk loaded "Profilm" and if you choose the KODAK (all capital letters) entry the search engine takes you to the great yellow father's yello/green boxes.

gainer · Mar 5, 2009

There was at one time a Tri-x Pan Professional film especially designed for portraits with film speed ISO 320, available in roll and sheet but not in 35mm. This is NOT what they sent you. It is in fact Kodak Tri-X. Don't worry.

railwayman3 · Mar 5, 2009

Anscojohn said:
*****

Profilm bedeutet, dass wir die Filme aus original Meterware für Sie in preiswerte Patronen einspulen lassen. Der Film ist derselbe, die Patrone nicht.

Sort of, RWman, that's what I understand from the above. But in fotoimpex's web site, they have two entries: Kodak and KODAK. If you choose the former, the search engine takes you to the bulk loaded "Profilm" and if you choose the KODAK (all capital letters) entry the search engine takes you to the great yellow father's yello/green boxes.

Thats how I read it, with my limited German.
I think I'd prefer to pay a bit extra for the Kodak-factory-packed and dated films. Though I've loaded my own cartidges from bulk in the past, with no probs.

Vaughn · Mar 5, 2009

It is probably just like Freestyle who sells Tri-X under their own label "Premium Arista".

vaughn

Stefan Findel · Mar 5, 2009

"Profilm bedeutet, dass wir die Filme aus original Meterware für Sie in preiswerte Patronen einspulen lassen. Der Film ist derselbe, die Patrone nicht."
Profilm means, that we have these films loaded for you into less expensive cartridges from bulk film. The film is the same, the cartridge is not.

pierods · Mar 5, 2009

Stefan Findel said:
"Profilm bedeutet, dass wir die Filme aus original Meterware für Sie in preiswerte Patronen einspulen lassen. Der Film ist derselbe, die Patrone nicht."
Profilm means, that we have these films loaded for you into less expensive cartidges from bulk film. The film is the same, the cartdidge is not.

mistery solved! thanks!

AgX · Mar 5, 2009

Fotoimpex offers

-) Kodak Tri-X 400

-) Kodak Tri-X 320

-) Kodak T-Max 400

-) Profilm BW 400 KM ( converted from T-Max 400 long rolls)

-) Profilm BW 400 KT / Tri-X Pan (converted from Tri-X 400 long rolls)

tri-x "pan"? what is that?

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