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When you are shooting are you outside with people who share similar interests? Ie if it is not photography related, maybe they are into wildlife or bird watching or painting etc? Or else do you go at it alone?

I have been on normal holiday trips with others and they say, why do you spend so much time shooting, I didn't come on a trip just for photograph, just to walk outside every day. I have thought about using a hotshoe flash with people on a trip but I don't they are that interested either even if it is photos of them, maybe a point and shoot would be more ideal.


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I don't travel with people who don't shoot. I don't need that kind of negativity in my life.
Or, if I do, we're typically traveling to capture them doing something (mountain bike, ski, fly fishing, climbing etc.)
 

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Or else do you go at it alone?

This.
Otherwise I have to deal with interruptions, distractions, people wandering in and out of the frame, walking around the tripod...
None of my work is produced in the presence of people, groups or otherwise -- but then you do not commonly find people in wilderness situations where snakes, spiders, monitors, mosquitoes, wasps and parasites are par for the course. Pity really, as any one or more of these could be a great benefit if the folks get in my way... :mad:
 
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I call non photographing people mosquitos. They just keep buzzing around and are generally pests. If I am traveling with non photographers I just resign myself to the fact that nothing artistic will be forthcoming and enjoy their company.
 

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Non photography people and digital shooters are basically in the same bag. Instant gratification. Or they will start suggesting "nice" photos you should take. Part of the process for me is contemplating the images before me not dealing with "are we all ready to move on yet". Thankfully I'm older and grumpier and no longer care about sharing my photographic time with anyone else. Photography and other people [full stop] is as creative as a root canal. :smile:
 

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I do not pay attention to suggestions from non photographers except my girlfriend who has a great sense of composition. When traveling with non photographers I generally take a 35mm camera.
 

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Or they will start suggesting "nice" photos you should take.

Ha! I can identify with that.
So here's one in your backyard, chiller! :smile:
A while back I had a coffee in Barmera (quite some distance from Adelaide, up near the Vic border). Before going to the scene below, a local yokel, spying me with a spotmeter, and he draped with a digital gave me chapter and verse on "pretty pictures you should go and take around Barmy [their term for the town]".

But my plans were very involved and advanced and ahead of the chatterboxes and potential annoying people!
The image below was made at Lake Bonney, and only after 2 days and nights of visiting and re-visiting the expansive scene and observing the fall of light (sometimes referred to erroneously as St Elmo's Fire, but more correctly termed Earth's Shadow and the Belt of Venus). That guy with the camera was still hanging around the coffee joint I visited, and had absolutely no idea of the potential of Lake Bonney, and certainly didn't even know the access track to the barren and deserted shoreline existed (a long way out of town). Nothing was given out to him, no clues, no hints...nothing. Just proves that not all locals are clued up on photographic potential for those out to make a a bit of money in the right circumstances, as this image did, selling for $1,490 (it has recently been reprinted and sold locally here in Victoria a sixth time).

I have over time answered many questions about this image. The most common is "where are all the people?"
Apart from my desire to exclude all trace of human interference and visitation in my images, they were there! I waited for them to leave, and standing there in the stifling heat was not pleasant. Kids love throwing stones into the water to create ripples, and three of the ankle-biters were nearby doing this. This tested my patience. Complicating this is that nearby is a nudist colony (!).

Just as the sun went down and the waters stilled (possibly in shock!?), a parade of bare bums sauntered along left and right. Charming. But lo, the mozzies came out and enjoyed a feast, but that also meant I had to hurry up and get on with it too. And so... the first image was ruined when a speedboat entered the frame just as the shutter went off! The third image similarly went belly-up when a pelican decided to tumble and spill into the water. I don't want pelicans!! On the fourth try...

The other question is "where is this?" The exact location (e.g. GPS) has never been revealed, and if it were, I would probably be criticised for putting people in harm's way. One, the area is known for eastern brown and tiger snakes that feast on the native frogs that are abundant along the shoreline (two were observed on my visit and the long walk back to the car made me nervous). These snakes are particularly active on warm to hot nights (which are very common and provide the most photogenic opportunities for this type of imagemaking) and two, the proximity to a nudist colony would cause many people offence (I am not troubled by them, and importantly, they did not approach my position).

The crux of this regarding people is that the image would not have been possible if there was a group of people present, kids persisting with their stone-throwing or God-forbid, a tour group of eventide walkers out for a walk-talk-and-gawk. This applies to anywhere scenic and attractive that could also attract other photographers muscling in on your discovery. Deal with them. It is something to remember that if photographers desire to do the very best they can, then forsake all company and take the solo path — no groups, no family, nothing. My family understands my work is lonely and intensive and takes me to isolated places where safety and health can be put at risk. It's not for everybody and every family but it is often the only way to come back with the image of your dreams.


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I prefer to shoot alone. If I do happen to have people around during time dedicated to photography, its family or friends who understand and respect my little obsession and just go with it. But if on a holiday trip, its also important to respect my companions' time and interests by putting away the camera at times.
 

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When you are shooting are you outside with people who share similar interests? Ie if it is not photography related, maybe they are into wildlife or bird watching or painting etc? Or else do you go at it alone?

I have been on normal holiday trips with others and they say, why do you spend so much time shooting, I didn't come on a trip just for photograph, just to walk outside every day. I have thought about using a hotshoe flash with people on a trip but I don't they are that interested either even if it is photos of them, maybe a point and shoot would be more ideal.


Cheers.
About thirty years ago, Leica Magazine (the one published in the USA) published an article on a similar subject by a photographer who did quite a bit of nature/scenic photography. He recommended doing your "serious photography" alone. Maybe with someone who likes to sit and read but not take pictures. Another photographer or photographers tend to be distractions. I think he was correct. With a group who have each paid as much as you have to be where you are, just enjoy the trip and maybe leave your photo equipment at home. These are the trips where you can use your point and shoot digital cameras for color travel pictures to share with others..........Regards!
 

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I usually go by myself. I have gone out with other photographers and it's always been a good experience. If I do go out with non-photographers, it's my wife or step-dad. They are the most patient people I know!
 

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My general preference is to work alone. I have in the past year or so gone on a couple of "photo walks" with two or three other photographers and gotten some worthy stuff, but it's not the same. With just my wife along, I sometimes get fairly serious, but add more family members and it's best to regress to vacation snapshot mode. The last year or two that may fumble all the way down to just using my iPhone. There -- I confessed! :whistling:
 

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yes and no
on some excursions i am alone
on others i am with people..
the work is equally good and bad
 

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Alone alone! Or with a very dear friend that is in photography too. But nowadays I mostly travel by myself, and I can do three of the things I love in one go undisturbed (trains, reading and photography). I guess I'm getting older and grumpier, but I can't stand anymore people that rolls their eyes when I look at a scene and not take the photo right away...
 

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I generally shoot alone, but if my girlfriend is there is very patient and has a good eye for compositions. Her suggestions are very welcome.
 

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Most of the time I'd rather shoot by myself. I have taken our son (who's now 7) out to Ohiopyle with me and he's sometimes ok. He complains a lot if we hike too far without finding anything interesting, but he's happy if he has a stream to toss rocks in. The rule is that he has to toss them downstream from what I'm shooting. One of the recent shots I posted - My Rocks #27 - was shot with him nearby.

The three of us went to Grand Teton NP and Yellowstone in June and I took plenty of cameras and film, but I looked at it as more of a family vacation than a photography one. Hopefully I can get back there with the intent of shooting more. And this first trip served as a scouting mission so I have some idea what I want to shoot next time.
 

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My wife is generally pretty tolerant, but sometimes I travel with more people than that (such as one of my kids.) My strategy has been to either get up early in the morning or go out after dinner to take photos. This is how I became so interested in night photography, I think. Last weekend I went with my wife to visit our son in Seattle. Both generally don't like to get out of bed until 10 am! Drives me insane. I got up early, had breakfast at the hotel, and then went out with my trusty Rolleiflex to take photos of the many bums and winos that loaf around Seattle.


Kent in SD
 

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When I travel with my wife, I take a P&S. Even then, she complains if I bother her too much to get the people shots I want to make a travel slide show when we get home. I miss the sunsetss and sunrises too. I leave "serious" photography when I get home and then do it alone.

Also, a P&S on vacation makes it easier for me. I don't have to drag around all that camera stuff. Traveling light has its advantages.
 

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Traveling light has its advantages.

Hmm. Tell me about that, Alan. :smile:
I think I will set myself a challenge for the New Year: I will go away for a weekend, carrying nothing with me at all except an Olympus XA and a couple of rolls of Provia or Pan F+.
 

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I spend up to 2 weeks every year touring around Germany/Austria/Italy and Switzerland in other words the alpine area. I do so on a motorcycle which is my preferred method of travel. If you are with someone and keep stopping to take a picture(s) they can get quite irate about the interruptions in their travel, so I also travel alone. This next year will probably be my last. Only because I'm getting older, (but no more sense!) so will limit myself to the wilderness of the west coast of Scotland.There I can submerge myself and just photograph the wonderful, diverse landscape in monochrome. But again I will be on my own, that way I can concentrate on the matter in hand.
 

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I've always seen photography, like many other creative endeavours, as a solitary pursuit (although there are a few situational exceptions). I'm single so I don't have to worry about travelling with others since I almost always travel by myself and I plan trips around my photographic interests. If I want to stay somewhere for 2 or 3 days to maximise sunset/sunrise opportunities, I do, even if the place itself is only worth half a day's visit by most people. I rarely eat at the standard dinner hour, because I'm out chasing the low afternoon light and shadows and then the beautiful blue dusk. I either eat on the go or grab something from a supermarket/station/etc. If I can, I rent a car and drive down smaller roads in the countryside so I can stop wherever catches my fancy. That said, the few times when I have travelled with others, I obviously don't do this. I do have conscientious friends who don't mind if I need to take some time to shoot something, but I try not to test their patience. In case of something really important to me (like a 4:30 a.m. start to catch sunrise) we usually agree to go our separate ways for at lest part of the day. That's nice too since it gives us both a break from each other.
 

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When I travel with my wife, I take a P&S. Even then, she complains if I bother her too much to get the people shots I want to make a travel slide show when we get home. I miss the sunsetss and sunrises too. I leave "serious" photography when I get home and then do it alone.

Also, a P&S on vacation makes it easier for me. I don't have to drag around all that camera stuff. Traveling light has its advantages.
Hmm. Tell me about that, Alan. :smile:
I think I will set myself a challenge for the New Year: I will go away for a weekend, carrying nothing with me at all except an Olympus XA and a couple of rolls of Provia or Pan F+.

Try it, Gary. It actually takes the pressure off so you can enjoy the vacation more. Sleep late. Don't feel obligated.
 

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Alan,
I was supposed to hang up the cameras and sit back and do nothing. It hasn't worked that way at all!
Old habits just cannot be shaken off and I am still producing and printing work (latest print job went in yesterday) — probably because I'm not that good with Faceache and Instagraphing, or whatever it is.

The XA is on the desk beside me. Cute! I can still focus it — touch wood, with my wonky viewing eye that with any other camera requires dioptric correction! The little chipper is loaded with Provia 100F and ready to go. Go where? Travel next week over the border — an early pre-Christmas roadie before the crowds turn up, albeit in 40°C heat!!
 

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I prefer to travel and shoot alone, when on vacation with my wife I often will go out by myself for a few hours at a time. Worst was when I was working PJ, traveling with a print journalist who usually wanted to tell what and how to shoot a story.
 
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