Travelling to Ephesus, Istanbul, a couple of Greek Isles, Barcelona and Rome

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{Moderator's note - this thread was split off an earlier thread started by the OP about travelling to entirely different destinations.
I believe this is the best example of radical thread drift this moderator has ever seen!}


After consideration, my wife and I decided the weather seemed too foreboding, and the thought of getting Shangied to drag the boat overland to Edinburgh seemed daunting. So we switched the cruise to warmer climes in the Mediterranean, including Ephesus, Istanbul, a couple of Greek Isles, Barcelona and Rome. The last two cities are the start and end points, so we'll be able to spend three days each in each country before and after the cruise. Thanks, everyone, for the input.
 
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Which ones?

  1. BARCELONA, SPAIN (cruise starts)
  2. MYKONOS, GREECE
  3. EPHESUS (KUSADASI), TURKEY
  4. ISTANBUL, TURKEY
  5. ISTANBUL, TURKEY
  6. SANTORINI, GREECE
  7. OLYMPIA (KATAKOLON), GREECE
  8. ROME (CIVITAVECCHIA), ITALY (cruise ends)
 

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In Barcelona consider the off/on bus. It’s an easy way to get around. In Rome we used public transportation also easy
 
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Which neighborhoods are best in Barcelona and Rome. We plan to stay in hotels for three nights each. Museums, shows, restaurants, exploring, taking it easy for us old folks. No drinking or bar hopping. Early to sleep.
 

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Avoid the neighborhood around the Termini rail and bus station in Rome. Got scammed there by a restaurant. There was also garbage all over the street. Definitely do not get a hotel in that neighborhood (as we did), even though it's the cheapest.

The other parts of Rome are nice. See St. Peter's Basilica in the Vatican if you haven't yet. It was a life changing experience for me. Also, try a pizza putanesca.

I can't help you with Mykonos or Santorini as I've hopped the more low-key islands.
 

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If time permits while in Santorini consider a day trip on a smaller catamaran ( around 12 or so people) includes a bbq and drinks and if you don’t mind cold water, a short swim to a so called hot spring. We also took the public bus to Fira. Join the crowd for the sunset Oia. We weren’t on a cruise so our schedules were open. We had a place with a private terrace that included breakfast. Photography was easy since everyone is used to people with cameras.
 

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In Barcelona we stayed at the Room Mate Pau Hotel. Excellent location and room at a reasonable rate. Our room had a great shower that I actually thought was a sauna. The breakfast was also a very nice buffet. The person at the front desk made reservations for us at a restaurant near by that had delicious food and service and suggested a particular waiter. We returned the next night as well and were received as if we were regulars as I recall there was wine or desert on the house with the waiter remembering us. I don’t remember the name of the restaurant but it was a few blocks walk
 

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Avoid the neighborhood around the Termini rail and bus station in Rome.
"The" neighborhood around Termini breaks down into a few totally different areas, IMO. There's the neighborhood south of Termini and between the station and Santa Maria Maggiore. I think/assume it's a place where many people pick a hotel because of its location, and the neighborhood as such is sort of nice, I suppose (given that it's smack in the middle of an Italian metropole). We liked the area opposite, north-east of Termini: San Lorenzo. Much less touristy, more oriented at locals (students), more edgy, but also more authentic than the more trodden places. I can't say anything about hotels as I've never stayed in any in Rome. We generally use (& prefer) AirBnB. Resturant-wise, in San Lorenzo the food is decidedly more rustic, better priced and of decent (albeit generally somewhat robust) quality - more so than in the touristy spots. You may or may not like the neighborhood's atmosphere at night. The streets running past Termini draw some shady types. Lots of people living in the streets, too. For the most part, if you don't bother them, they won't bother you.

Museums, shows, restaurants, exploring, taking it easy for us old folks.

If you've never been in Rome, I imagine you'll likely want to visit the highlights. Book a few days extra there - at least.
Book your museum tickets in Rome in advance. This saves you a lot of queueing up, which isn't fun especially on June, as Rome will be very, very crowded and in all likelihood very hot as well. Book at the official website; avoid at all cost 3rd party booking systems that promise lower rates (a lie), quicker access or shorter queues (more lies). Avoid the hawkers in the streets with the same promises (=lies) or who argue you need a guided tour to get around in these museums/sites of interest (you really don't).
Especially if you want to include places like the Villa Borghese and its renowned gallery, be sure to book ASAP and pray that there'll be slots left. The Vatican Museums are another highlight you'll likely want to visit because they give access to the Sistine Chapel, which seems to be one and only reason why about 80% of the visitors of the museum enter the place anyway. The museum itself is definitely worth it; the Chapel is of course beautiful, but it's virtually impossible to enjoy its beauty. It's just too crowded and there'll be guards urging you to move on if you stop for more than 1.3 seconds.

Restaurant-wise, you're good. It's Italy. It's generally difficult to find bad food, although Rome of course is one of the few places where you might actually succeed. At night, go to Trastevere, if only once - yes, everyone does, but it's OK; there's a good reason. Plenty of decent restaurants and the atmosphere really is nice.

If you spend a couple of days in Rome, sooner or later it'll wear you out. Make your way to the street that runs above the botanic gardens (Passeggiata del Gianicolo) and enjoy the view. Or, also a great view, in this case overlooking the Tiber and Trastevere: the Garden of the Oranges (Giardino degli Aranci).

Late in the afternoon, go to the Tiber island, there's an ice cream shop on the road that runs across the small island. Get a cone there; the ice cream is good. Eat it at the quayside, looking in the direction of St. Peter's, while watching sportsy Romans run along the riverside.

Can't help you with Istanbul; I've never been there, but it must be beautiful. It's been ages I've been to Barcelona I vowed to never go back. It's OK, I guess, but not my kind of town and way, way too crowded. Watch your purse/camera/anything of value. Seriously. Barcelona has a reputation to uphold in this regard, and it's the one thing it does with fervor.

Enjoy the trip - it'll be HOT, but no doubt worth it. The Mediterranean is gorgeous.

PS: I hope you'll pass the Strait of Messina during daytime. It's a nice spot, with the volcano towering over Sicily on one side and the hills of Calabria ('the toe of the boot') on the other.
 

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In Barcelona we liked the Hotel Pulitzer close to Plaça de Catalunya and La Rambla Street and old town. The restaurant in Olívia Plaza Hotel is an architecturally special place.

En Ville | Gluten Free Restaurant is really good no matter your food needs

Messie Muntaner​

Calle de Muntaner, 109 for pizza

In Rome The Hotel Terrazze Navona was interesting and well placed. I don't believe it is possible to get tickets for the coliseum/forum on line personally. I watched the site for 3 months and it sold out within the second sales opened every day. Viator booking worked well. If you like churches go to any one for the art but skip the first half dozen popular one. Don't bother with Spanish steps, Trevi fountain or the Vatican, too many people!!!!

Risotteria Melotti Roma is a wonderful Rice based restaurant​

 

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A quick thought. I always take trousers that have a pocket that zips the opposite way. Up to open and down to close. Columbia brand makes them. I carry my camera and film for the day in a simple day pack held by my side and money and Id under my shirt. My wife does the same and through many years of travelling we never had a problem.
 

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the neighborhood south of Termini

Yes, that's the place I meant. We didn't have time to check out San Lorenzo, sounds nice. We went in 2021 and our hotel was 40 euros per night. Our mattress was pretty much folded in half and the shower was the slightest lukewarm trickle coming out of the wall. Barely any heat in the room. It was so ridiculous, that you just had to laugh, and my fault for cheaping out. I'll be back to Italy some day, with better research.
 

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I don't believe it is possible to get tickets for the coliseum/forum on line personally.

The Forum is not much of a concern; you should be able to get onto it without much trouble either way. The Colosseum is a different matter, although personally I'd just have a look at it from the outside and leave it at that. Although I guess that's easy enough to say knowing what it looks & feels like from the inside.


our hotel was 40 euros per night

You mean €140, right? I imagine you pay more than €40 for a single bunk bed in a youth hostel in downtown Rome.
 

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You mean €140, right? I imagine you pay more than €40 for a single bunk bed in a youth hostel in downtown Rome.

No, 40. Maybe it was a temporary phenomenon of the Covid times.
 
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I've been on a very similar cruise 7 time, but instead of Rome & Barcelona, it was Venice & Dubrovnik.

We lived in Kusadasi, so I have visited Ephesus numerous times, photography there is very difficult due to the high number of tourists. I walked there one day, setting off at about 5am, and was able to shoot before the tourists arrived. It's an amazing place. Go before the school holidays, places won't be so busy, and avoid July & August as it gets unbearably hot, always carry water. Ephesus & Olympia don't permit tripods.

My wife was an Italian speaking Turkish tour guide, so I visited Istanbul & Ephesus occasionally with coach loads of Italians, they were always great fun, sing all the way back to the Cruise ship.

Ian
 

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I have been to Santorini, Crete, Rhodes, Mikinos, and Delos. I recommend all of them.
 
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Sorry for the drift. The trip change from the cold British Isles to the warmer Med occurred after a dispute with my wife. Blame her!
 
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Thanks everyone for the tips. My wife says we should also do a day trip from Rome to Florence by train. (She stayed in Italy for the summer when she was a kid and says Florence is worth it). We'll be staying three days in Rome at the end of the cruise and three days in Barcelona before the cruise begins there. So we should have enough time to explore both cities.
 

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Yes, Florence is definitely worth a visit, and you can get a fast comfortable train from/to Rome. If you book 1-2 months in advance, you can get First/Business Class at a bargain price.

By the way, my strategy in all these popular tourist places is to observe which direction the crowd is moving and then go either at 90 degrees or in the opposite direction!
 

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Far far too many people in Florence! Literally squeezing by crowds in the street last October.

I think all the places on this itinerary can be crowded, but really it's very easy to avoid the crowds, especially in somewhere like Florence which has a few popular "attractions" but dozens/hundreds of charming places frequented mainly by locals ... and great for photography!

Alan, I see you were formerly resident in NYC, and I'm sure you're familiar with the places most tourists go ... and the real NYC away from the tourist spots. It's the same in most places. In the past couple of years I've spent many photo-days in Florence, NYC, Venice, Paris and other "tourist" cities ... but always managed to find quieter attractive areas.
 

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Florence needs more than a day to see it and get a feel for the city, history and its art. I suggest three to five days for a starter.
 

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Sorry for the drift. The trip change from the cold British Isles to the warmer Med occurred after a dispute with my wife. Blame her!

No apology (or blame) necessary.
Of course, starting a new thread would have been the easier way to deal it .
The last time I was at some of those destinations, I was ~45 years younger. I hope your trip is as good as mine was.
 
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