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No doubt, but the question is what constitutes 'reasonable'. If you're talking about C-prints made on the papers available a few decades ago that all faded due to inherent characteristics of the material, I wonder how much of a case you have. It's a bit like someone selling you a sand sculpture on the beach to "enjoy for eternity".So you pay your money and take your chances? I do think "reasonable expectations" has a place in law.
No doubt, but the question is what constitutes 'reasonable'. If you're talking about C-prints made on the papers available a few decades ago that all faded due to inherent characteristics of the material, I wonder how much of a case you have. It's a bit like someone selling you a sand sculpture on the beach to "enjoy for eternity".
I would be absolutely amazed if Cindy Sherman didn't research the consequences of this offer extensively before making it.
Including market research, and legal research.
And I would be equally amazed if a court of law would hold her responsible for lack of longevity knowledge if, when the prints were originally sold, that knowledge was neither common or even accessible.
I'm equally sure that there were no extra-ordinary express representations about longevity when the prints were originally sold, unless they were of the nature of "processed and handled according to current standards" type of representations.
Yes, that's why it could and should be tested in court.
I know of one photographer who offers a lifetime warranty with her prints.
I know of one photographer who offers a lifetime warranty with her prints. The only caveat is that it applies to the photographer's lifetime, and not the buyer's. But those prints are archivally produced silver chloride contact prints.
Maybe you could procure one of her originals and then take her to court. Give her a piece of your mind!
I guess that's a good reason not to invest in C prints. I believe that dye-transfer prints, as used by William Eggleston and others, have a longer lifespan.Which is fine - because there is excellent longevity data around, based on past history, rather than optimistic projection.
When Cindy Sherman's early colour work was being sold, the longevity data was known as well - that C prints were not nearly that long lived.
Which is fine - because there is excellent longevity data around, based on past history, rather than optimistic projection.
When Cindy Sherman's early colour work was being sold, the longevity data was known as well - that C prints were not nearly that long lived.
So I repeat my observation:
I'm equally sure that there were no extra-ordinary express representations about longevity when the prints were originally sold, unless they were of the nature of "processed and handled according to current standards" type of representations.
Something like a "ten year" warranty would not have been extra-ordinary. Perhaps even a "twenty year" warranty might have been offered.
There's a certain degree of levity in the terms of her warranty. Perhaps it doesn't translate well on a message board. I think @koraks picked up on it.
They most definitely do. Partly for research purposes, but also as a 'just in case' backup. While it's evidently not the same as the original artwork, at least the content as such isn't necessarily gone if the original is lost.I imagine archivists in museums, government, etc scan most photos and film they have received.
I imagine archivists in museums, government, etc scan most photos and film they have received. Digital storage doesn't fade.
Digital storage doesn't fade.
I imagine archivists in museums, government, etc scan most photos and film they have received. Digital storage doesn't fade.
Digital is always one link/step from being gone forever. Forget that password? Disk drive goes down? Cloud service you use disappears? Format is no longer supported? Gone.
It all depends. Most museums have quite limited budgets, and can barely survive. Unless major pieces are involved, the role of digital or even film copying is that of establishing an inventory, potentially useful to historians or for book reproductions, for example. It's not like Hollywood with its big budgets saving full feature old flicks on newer real film, as well as digitally (which might be necessary anyway for sake of restoration techniques).
I've known of significant historical collections deliberately destroyed because certain museums simply couldn't afford to either freezer store, copy, print, or fire insure themselves relative to old risky nitrate negatives.
There were serious problems when microfilm was replaced by digital methods for archiving text records in certain important libraries. Files were corrupted or outright failed, or couldn't keep up with the repetitive software changes. It's never wise to put all your eggs in one basket. We have the cuneiform records of ancient Mesopotamians still intact due to being on clay tablets - now that's "archival"; but only a handful of people can read them.
With this Cindy heyday stuff, you might very well have the problem of both the original color neg and representative color prints all being somewhat faded, and therefore requiring corrective digital enhancements post-scan. Therefore, either Cindy herself would have to say at what point a redo turns out looking "right", or perhaps there is a hermetically sealed reference C-print in cold storage somewhere. Printmakers of that era simply took it for granted that experiencing their work on chromogenic prints was a limited opportunity; they expected them to fade.
Even Eliot Porter stated up front that only his black and white color separation negatives were "permanent"; the dye transfer prints themselves would inevitably fade. A 20 year display life was considered exceptional back then. Cibachrome changed that equation, but was still dependent on avoiding UV. Most commercial galleries seemed to be oblivious to the whole question, or downright evasive. Even true pigment processes like color carbro weren't immune from issues like emulsion blistering. My own brother placed his own best dye transfer print in a "professional" presentation album containing vinyl sleeves, which ruined it in less than a decade.
And look at the incredible effort and expense restoring DaVinci's Last Supper mural because he experimented with some new painting tweak without prior testing. Picasso and Matisse made collages out of ordinary cheap colored cardboard which have faded and embrittled, yet are considered priceless. Rothko used fugitive pigments. Great watercolorists sometimes painted on papers which discolored over time, or were backed by ordinary cardboard. Some of own aunt's watercolors were stored in Kraft paper, ruining what would have otherwise been prized museum pieces; what has survived is mostly her fresco murals. All of this "archival" thinking is a relative new thing, which photographers, artists, and galleries didn't even think about much prior to the latter portion of the 20th C.
How many stories about negatives being discarded, misplaced, lost in a fire, etc. before you realize that film is no more safe, and possibly less so because there’s no way to make identical copies and store them separately?
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