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lhalcong

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I've been using TMAX Developer diluting only on a needed basis. Then I save it in its original container purging the air with butane gas. The strategy has been effective as it has maintained fine. But since my film volume is very very low, I still have about half a bottle. It's been two years if not more since I bought it. I think it has turned slightly Amber. I think and I'm not entirely sure now, if the syrup was absolutely clear when I bought it. ? I just don't remember. Has it degraded and what degrading effects should I expect if any ?
 

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If it is still working, what's the big deal?
I have a bottle I got while buying other things. I used it for a couple rolls diluting some and it worked and I think the bottle was from the 1990s' if not 1980's. A lot of expiration dates are Cover You Against Liability sorts of things for companies. I've used Elon/Metol I bought in an antique shop (guesstimated bottling date 1940's). No, its not snowy white crystals but it makes just fine D-23. Admittedly, solutions are more of a problem than solids. Using Butane as a cover gas is interesting. I know from something I saw in Boy Scouts that narrowly avoided injuries that it is more dense than regular air and it is inert to any photo chemistry I can think of except using sparks to set off flash powder... I'd figured that if I was going to go the chemical preservation route that strenuously I'd get a bottle of Argon and regulator and some kind of hose at a welding supply shop and use that. Argon is extremely inert (won't burn, or do other chemistry in a photo situation) and heavier than air so ideal for purging chemical bottles of air/oxygen. Finally, if you are going to be that concerned about chemical longevity may I suggest using glass bottles, teflon or polyethylene lined caps and using electrical tape to seal the threads (two layers works best) and keeping the bottles in the fridge and allowing them to come to room temp before attempting to use. For serious, seriously air sensitive compounds it is best to take even more serious precautions, but nothing we do in a photolab degrades immediately or bursts into flame on contact with air.

Another thought: D-23 and Rodinal and Pyrocat HD all either keep really well as concentrates or are so inexpensive as to be used as one shot developers or both that it might make sense if you ever run out of the Tmax developer to consider them. D-23 can be mixed from 2 chemicals plus water. Mixing your own chemicals is a lot of fun and costs a lot less, typically.
 

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I'd heed the expiry date. I had a near full bottole of Tmax developer that was a month past the date and it underdeveloped my film slightly, and the images had more grain than I normally get from that developer and film combination (Tmax 400 film).
 

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I've had TMAX developer go bad on me (severely under developed negatives) and it happened a few times.
 

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Dear Ihalcong,

A few weeks back I ran out of mixed Xtol when my inherent laziness kicked in. Instead of mixing up a new batch of Xtol I used some TMax developer that was originally opened about 15 years ago. It was less than 1/4 full for the vast majority of that time (no preservative added) and the color was definitely amber. The first roll was overdeveloped (I added time figuring it would need it). It was a test roll I could live without. I then developed 5 rolls at once with the recommended time and they were perfect.

If you continue to use it on a regular basis you should notice any changes before they become big enough to cause an issue. If you are ever really worried, a new bottle is a small amount to pay for peace of mind. Finally, if you don't finish the bottle soon, you aren't shooting enough. ;-)

Neal Wydra
 
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