Tmax 100 in 120 format

Thorpelyon

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Everybody's out of stock. I assume the production run is still stalled due to the backing paper issue.
 

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Alan Klein said:
B and H Photo has Tmax 100 in 120 back logged. Manufacturer is behind. What's going on? Anyone else selling it?
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Kodak stated at least that they will not
discontinue tmax100 in 120 as I remember correct.
Let us wait what will happen!

with regards
 

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Acros100 is fantastic but Tmax400 will have a more similar look to Tmax100 than anything else.
 

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Alan Klein said:
What would you recommend as a replacement? I don't want to wait until they start shipping again.
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Tmax 100 replacement ?
That could be a theme to expertes-hmm?

Let's make not as complicate as needed.

In genereral every ISO 100 bw film is in the very near of Kodaks original Tmax100.

Of cause it differed a bit from emulsion to other emulsion.

The only exeption should be classic emulsions like Fp4, Foma100 - because of their grain strukture and their tonal
difference.

Special bw emulsions like "ortho-pancromatic" films may have also
a greater difference in comparision of
Tmax of cause.
Document films like Rollei ATP 1.1 in 120 (avaible at freestyle) would be a chance
to try out.But with lower speed : ISO32 to this super-panchromatic emulsion.
Yes I know - thats not in the near to a replacement and perhaps you will not like it.
In short - you may have a focus to other
flat-crystal technology ISO100 films
like Ilford Delta 100, I am not sure of
Fuji Across (never had in use) but it should have also modern flat-crystals.

So you should be on the save side with a very simular grain structure - to Tmax100.
The tonal difference with Delta 100 is not
as great as other may stated here on apug from my personal experience.
With Fuji Across I have to guess - because I never bought Fuji bw films up to now.But I could imagine it would be the same in regard.
As here mentioned before Tmax400 ?
You will have definitivly more grain - not very much - interessting could be a difference in development.
Pull-Prozess at ISO200 EI ! If you may handle a little lost of contrast.

Comming to pull the emulsions by development-process at least :

Have a short look to Delta100 again to use with Ilford Perceptol.

You will lose one stop (ISO50) with this method caused from the Perceptol developer - but just have a try with ISO25 EI.

I don't know if you will like the tonal-and
of cause the contrast difference to your
experience with Tmax and you would not
have the speed.
But in concerns of smalest grain it is my personal recomandation to all who would
like to have big enlargements from 135 films.
And with 120 you should be not afraid of
comparison to 4x5 inch!

with regards
 

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Alan Klein said:
What would you recommend as a replacement? I don't want to wait until they start shipping again.
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Tmax 100 replacement ?
That could be a theme to expertes-hmm?

Let's make not as complicate as needed.

In genereral every ISO 100 bw film is in the very near of Kodaks original Tmax100.

Of cause it differed a bit from emulsion to other emulsion.

The only exeption should be classic emulsions like Fp4, Foma100 - because of their grain strukture and their tonal
difference.

Special bw emulsions like "ortho-pancromatic" films may have also
a greater difference in comparision of
Tmax of cause.
Document films like Rollei ATP 1.1 in 120 (avaible at freestyle) would be a chance
to try out.But with lower speed : ISO32 to this super-panchromatic emulsion.
Yes I know - thats not in the near to a replacement and perhaps you will not like it.
In short - you may have a focus to other
flat-crystal technology ISO100 films
like Ilford Delta 100, I am not sure of
Fuji Across (never had in use) but it should have also modern flat-crystals.

So you should be on the save side with a very simular grain structure - to Tmax100.
The tonal difference with Delta 100 is not
as great as other may stated here on apug from my personal experience.
With Fuji Across I have to guess - because I never bought Fuji bw films up to now.But I could imagine it would be the same in regard.
As here mentioned before Tmax400 ?
You will have definitivly more grain - not very much - interessting could be a difference in development.
Pull-Prozess at ISO200 EI ! If you may handle a little lost of contrast.

Comming to pull the emulsions by development-process at least :

Have a short look to Delta100 again to use with Ilford Perceptol.

You will lose one stop (ISO50) with this method caused from the Perceptol developer - but just have a try with ISO25 EI.

I don't know if you will like the tonal-and
of cause the contrast difference to your
experience with Tmax and you would not
have the speed.
But in concerns of smalest grain it is my personal recomandation to all who would
like to have big enlargements from 135 films.
And with 120 you should be not afraid of
comparison to 4x5 inch!

with regards
 

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Alan Klein said:
What would you recommend as a replacement? I don't want to wait until they start shipping again.
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Sorry to double the last reply by mistake - just get the wrong botton.

A last aspect to Delta100 with pull-process ISO25 EI.

If it will be possible to buy Tmax.100
again - and you would like the method
with Perceptol - have a try with Tmax100
in the same procedure.
Don't worry about to have a development
of Kodak films with an Ilford developer!
Don't worry about to use old fashioned
metol based developer with modernest
hight tech bw emulsions like Tmax.

The results should be a bit more finest
grain as with Delta100.

A very smal difference in the direction to an optimum (with Kodak Tmax100).

Because Tmax is the a very little better
improved emulsion in regard to flat-cristals.

And it is cheaper than Ilfords Delta.

But don't be desillusionisted - Kodak will
increase the price for new Tmax 100 when you will get it again.

Hope in some weeks not to far way from now.

(Just have none of them at the time-forget to buy it)

with regards
 

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RattyMouse said:
It's been out of stock for 1 year. Where have you been?
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I have been on the colored side a while.
First thoughts have been - I mixed it up with temporarilly problems to get Kodak
Ektar100 in 120.
But then I just remembered a Kodak
statement that they will produce Tmax100 in 120.
They stated there is no intention to discontinue 135 AND 120 Tmax100.

Am I totaly wrong???

Is Tmax100 actually discontinued?

That would be a middle catastrophe.

I wanted to buy 50rolls .

If it is true - I can't believe it - what is the problem to cut 120 films from tmax100 masterrols?

Or lets say : What is the problem to produce simple bw emulsions to Kodak.

At least lets be sure that it will come back. AND let us be sure that Kodak
see a chance to have higher prices.

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Tmax100 in 120 - just get brand new Infos.
It is avaible in Europe since april2017.
Or lets say it SHOULD be avaible this week.

Just saw a NEW package design .

And I was right - a little higher price.


Ok my order of 50rolls ? Perhaps 45rolls
will do their job also as good as 50rolls.

(to the next few years)

with regards
 

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No other film will be exactly like TMax 100, but at the same time it doesn't really matter that much with respect to how successful the photographs will be.

Just get either of the following and keep on making photographs: TMax 400, FP4+, Delta 100, Acros, or even Fomapan 100 is a somewhat viable alternative but it is the most different from the TMax out of the options here. You can make amazing photographs with any of those films.
 

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Harry Stevens said:
Don't you folks like FP4..........
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FP4 was one of my first films ever to my first film course (shool) to that time Hp5
was hight priced from Ilford.
Today it is PanF (hight priced).

Yes of cause Fp4 is not bad.
Just like the "blue" of its design.
This color let me remember to the good
old times.

My first Hp5 at this time was with 72 exposures.Ever heard about.

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PS : can't remember the package but it
was named 135-72 as a logical conclusion.
 

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No film can be EXACTLY the same - you are totaly right.

Some times it may be the very near of.
With a friendly look on other emulsions.

Remember just the past.A friend worked
at a big store to professionals.

He told me sometimes the same story.
As a photographer ordered E6 in the
90th.
He ordered a mass of Kodak EPP and
sometimes additionaly EPN because
of the colors.
Today someones would say :"Are there
indeed differences between EPP and
EPN in color"

They are NEARLY with same colors - I still have some! EPR is realy different.

To this guy in the 90th, it seams to be different for him between EPN and EPP.

But this is not the whole story.

He ordered masses of films every 3 weeks. AND one day he was in very
big trouble - he needed aditionally
80 films but : "WITH THE SAME EMULSION NUMBER" - and he got it and was very lucky.

I would never asked in bw about same
emulsion numbers.
Do you see differences of emulsion by
number?

Your honest answer?

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I think people pay too much attention to what different films look like. The main thing is to pick one or two emulsions and continue to use them, to get to know them by using them a lot in different types of lighting and so on. By being consistent with materials it becomes second nature what the reciprocity performance is, how the film reacts at extreme lighting conditions, what it looks like when pushed to the edge and beyond, and how it reacts to changes in developing technique.

That knowledge is far more important than some integral quality of any particular film.

 

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Yes I can realy understand what your oppinion is.AND you should be wonder about because
I agree with this since I have read the first time a statement in that direktion
from you.
Apug is great to get technical recomandation.
Photography is some times different from technical issues.
But let's have a little test with this theme.

Here is a picture in color (Fuji Astia) sorry for being wrong here in the bw section.
We are regarding films in general at least discussed - this example (in color) should it make clearer as any in bw.

So what's going wrong here? Wrong temperature in first developer (E6) ?
Color crossings because of fatal wrong
EI ?
Wrong colors with emulsions trouble due to overstorage of old film.

Bad stored and wrong dilutions with
FUJIFILM Hunt Chemicals.Should I better have used a Tetenal 3 Bad Kit?
Just have a look of the colors !

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Hehe. I still have about 20 rolls TMX expired between 2011 and 2013 but refrigerated. All rolls outside the affected batch nos. Processed one a couple of days ago. Beautiful.

If I run out before KA resume distribution there are plenty of other films out there but I would like to keep using TMX.
 

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Tmax100 will be available again...Kodak will be making it long after you are all under 6 feet of dirt....
in the meantime use Delta100....beautiful film..
go make pictures!!!
 

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RattyMouse said:
Neopan Acros. An amazing film, every bit as good as TMAX100.
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I love Acros; it is a great film.

I have pretty much stopped shooting medium format due to this backing paper fiasco, as I've heard that all film manufacturers are using 120 backing paper from the same source, and I don't want to risk a ruined shoot. Are there any known issues of any Fuji (color or B&W) medium format films having backing paper issues? It would be nice to break-out the Mamiya, again.
 
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