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Does anyone know where I could find (either on the internet or in some good literature) an accurate timeline of Kodak color films, both reversal and negative.
There is a very good timeline of all motion picture products on the Kodak site, but they don't have an equivalent timeline for still image products.

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Thornton, after he left Thornton Pickard licensed his film packs to Kodak and his colour emulsion, I'd look on Wikipedia. There was Kodachrome before what we know commonly by that name. Just like there was Verichrome before Kodak bought Wratten & Wainright.

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I've got a Pocket Photo Guide from 1942 that lists...

Kodachrome slides from 35mm only.
Large Kodachromes in cut film sizes 2 1/4 x 3 1/4 inch, 3 1/4 x 4 1/4, 4x5, 5x7 and 8x10
Kodacolor was not available in 35mm or cut sheet, but roll film sizes: 127, 120, 116

There was another class of color listed... One shot color

Movies were also an option.

So those were the choices back in 1942...
 

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The original Kodachrome was an additive colour film. Thornton set up a film coating plant I must dig out my notes and I have the Patent somewhere, after he was pushed out of Thornton Pickard his sole income was from licensing his Patents mostly to Eastman Kodak as he moved to the US.


I notice my historical part copied from somewhere else about Verichrome.

Verichrome (B&W) and Autochrome (colour) where bothn introduced in 1907.

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From 1966 Kodak Master Photoguide

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Kodak aren't very good at timelines they celebrated 50 years of Tri-X in 2004 despite it actually being introduced in 1938/9.

Ian

Kodak reused names all the time. The Tri-X from 1938-39 is NOT the same as the Tri-X introduced in 1954!
 

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Kodak reused names all the time. The Tri-X from 1938-39 is NOT the same as the Tri-X introduced in 1954!

That's only partially correct Tri-X today is not the same film as the 1954 version either. All versions of Tri-X came from the same family of films along with Pan-X, Plus-X etc even the pre-WWII version

Tri-X went out of production in the UK and elsewhere probably because a key chemical became unavailable due to the war. Kodak didn't have an equivalent to HP2 until it's reintroduction. Yes it would have been an improved version just as Hypersensitive Pan evolved to HP2, HP3, HP4, HP5 etc.

This is quite different to using an old name for a quite different product, like Verichrome, Kodachrome or the 126 film format - the original was roll film with a 5"x4" frame size.

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I enjoyed the movie where Bunny Hanson talked about the invention of the orange mask of color negative film... One of the great innovations (and innovators) of photography.

Thought I'd share the link again in case you missed it...

(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

You can find good reading about the early Kodak color films in George Eastman: A Biography By Elizabeth Brayer
 

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Unfortunately, the history of industrial products seems to be generally incomplete and murky. For some reason, we don't think it is important. We just discard the old and go on. The history of Kodak films is like this. Since the early Kodak color products were highly proprietary (Kodak controlled sales closely and did all processing in house up until after WWII), about the only way to trace them is through advertisements. Both negative and positive Kodak color films date from the early 1930s. The history of Kodachrome is fairly well known, although its maturation and the various changes the film manufacturing and processing went through would be hard to determine. As I recall, Kodacolor started as a very bad two color sandwich roll film product about the same time as Kodachrome. It rapidly improved to a thee color film. It gained its masking later, I think (but am not sure) sometime near the end of WWII. Ektachrome came about the same time and Ektacolor (a professional version of Kodacolor in sheet film sizes and allowing user processing) a few years after that. Once again, these products changed a lot over time, and it would be very difficult to determine just when and how. With Ektachrome and Ektacolor, Kodak did publish formulas, and researching old technical publications along with contemporary advertisements and reviews might provide some clues. Sorry I don't have better information. I would like to know more, too.
 
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Thanks everyone for their replies. I almost forgot I even posted this thread. Sorry to come back so late.

It seem to me like there is more information about the early color films and processes than there is about late ones. I'd be interested to know more about the color films available in the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's. I have a rough sketch in my mind of the timeline of this period, including Kodacolor, Vericolor, Ektachrome, and later Ektar, Supra, and finally Portra films. But it would be great if I could see specifics laid out somewhere.
 

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That's what we are hoping you will will do when you publish the results of your research :wink:
 
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