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Good day.

I know this has been posted before but I can't find it.

I'm using a Jobo 2300 and while I do color with it I'm going to process b/w for the first time.

I remember reading that I should minus Dev time off of the Film mfr receommend time.

Was this 15 percent or 20 percent. Anything else?

Thanks for your help.

Tom
 
Tom, I can't speak directly to the 2300, but in my ATL-1500 I generally start with about 15-20% off the recommended "small tank" times. If there's a "rotary tank" time published, I start with 5-10% less than that.

Take into account that I use a hybrid workflow and scan my negatives, so I'm looking for a somewhat "thinner" negative than might be optimal for optical printing.
 
Thank you Mike. Your always giving very good advice here on the boards.
So, small tank? What if I was using a large tank with Six rolls?
I think Kodak Tri-x has a rotaery tank para and I'll have to check.
Thank you again.
Tom
 
He means use the small tank time given by the developer company. OTOH 15% is just a start. You need to check and see. It might be too long or too short.
 
Exactly, Nick. I should have been clearer. 15-20% less than the "small tank" time; 5-10% less than the "rotary tank" time. (The rotary tank times are usually, but not always, shorter than the small tank times.) You'll have to fine tune these starting points for your own "system" of doing things.

For a long while I kept track of the "batch" size I ran in the Jobo, to see if the number of rolls simultaneously processed made any difference in the results; it did not seem to matter. This is one of the beauties of rotary processing: consistency. I realize there are disadvantages to it also, compared to, say, stand or semi-stand development.

The main gotcha I've found is that you must make sure you have enough stock solution, regardless of dilution, to adequately develop the number of rolls or sheets you're processing. This can be a problem at higher dilutions. For instance, my Jobo requires about 750-800 mL of developer solution to cover a full (large) film drum. This is as much solution as the chemical holding tanks can physically contain (though the film drums could hold quite a bit more.)

You need at least 100mL of Xtol stock (picking it for example's sake), regardless of dilution, per 120 roll or four 4x5 sheets to supply enough "development" to fully process the roll. So your holding tank can handle 8 rolls' worth of development at 1+0, or 4 rolls at 1+1. Since a full drum holds six rolls of 120 or 12 4x5 sheets (= 3 "rolls"), you are effectively required to process the 120 rolls at 1+0, while you'd be safe doing the 4x5 sheets at 1+1.
 
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I think I understand... so, if I had a six roll tank and filling it with six rolls of 135mm b/w, it's ok to use a 1:1 solution, i.e., stock solution plus equal amount of water? I think my tank requires around 800mil for this, it's on my sheet.
 
Not quite. If you take 100 mL of Xtol per roll (I believe this is the right amount---someone please correct me) you need 600 mL stock Xtol to do the job. Diluted 1+1, you get 1200 mL of working-strength solution.

So it depends on how much solution your chemical holding tanks and your film drums can contain. I'm not familiar with the specifics of your particular processor; but for my ATL-1500, the holding tanks can only contain something around 800 mL.
 
Mike, again, thank you. (BTW awesome blog)
My tank takes the same I think about 800mill.....
So, Perhaps I'm better using the fill amount, i.e., 800ml of just stock solution and be safe? Am I thinking right?
Best....
 
Tom, if you're going to process a full load of films, then you'll have little choice except to use undiluted "stock" Xtol.
 
Yup thanks to your help Mike that's just what I figured out and I'm in the process of developing now.
I'll update.
Tom
 
Interesting.

I use the Jobo and make no change to published times for any film or developer, B&W or color. I always use a prewet. My results are just fine!

PE
 
Just finished 6 rolls and their in the dryer. At first glance negs look evenly balanced. So we will see.
 
Good morning.
While I'm quite happy with the results of my first run, I'd like to back off on the contrast a bit.

I have system set for 75rpm.
Should I lessen dev time or bring it down to 50rpm?

Thank you again for all your input.
Best,
Tom
 
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