thimerosal (probably harder to source but possibly more effective).
What would be an effective replacement for it?
I did some googling for Kathon when I first read this (a year ago or so?) and as I recall, I found sources in the petrochemical industry; it was only available in gigantic quantities (something like an entire drum) and costs were high. For the kind of use you and I might want to purchase it for, it was unrealistic. I never looked further; maybe Calvin has a source for it or is willing to sell some.The only industrial preservative I tested and found to be effective at lower concentrations with gelatin was Kathon.
Using fish glue as binder is a must for my workflow.
I've tried it before by adding drops of water-Orotan solution to powder pigment in a mortar while mixing them with a pestle, as it's traditionally done. It didn't work and I gave up. But your answer made me think again and this evening I tried adding all ingredients in a closed bottle and shake it until mixed. It seam to work well and I think the binder may not be really needed in the liquid pigment if Orotan can hold the dispersion. I am using 20 drops of Orotan/50 ml. of liquid pigment. What are your proportions?... one of the things that worked surprisingly well was just Orotan and water, nothing else.
A CHIBA replacement for the multilayer gum bichromate process based on fish glue. The sensitizer in combination with any other binder I've tried, any ready-made watercolor paste or ready-made liquid watercolor mixture stains the highlights in different degrees. If only fish glue and pigment is used it clears perfectly.What workflow is this and how come fish glue in particular is so crucial to it?
The fish glue I use has no smell at all, even after 6 months from starting to use it. The liquid pigment starts to smell after a while, but not a fishy smell.Apart from the fishy smell, fish glue is very much like hide glue.
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A CHIBA replacement for the multilayer gum bichromate process based on fish glue. The sensitizer in combination with any other binder I've tried, any ready-made watercolor paste or ready-made liquid watercolor mixture stains the highlights in different degrees. If only fish glue and pigment is used it clears perfectly.
The fish glue comes as a semi-liquid solution with the consistency of bee honey and has no smell, even after 6 months from opening the can. It certainly has some preserver included. If the smell doesn't come from the fish glue, then what might produces it?
The fish glue I use has no smell at all, even after 6 months from starting to use it.
Maybe it's this Orotan thing that is rotting.
The dilution I use is 2g fish glue/50ml liquid pigment.
I am using this Kremer fish glue:
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with this product information:
"Fish glue is liquid because the fish proteins must function well at water temperatures down to 4°C. Warm-blooded glues all gel at 20 °C at the latest. Fish glue is suitable for all applications where particularly high elasticity must go hand in hand with very high strength. A particular advantage is the great adhesion of fish glue to wood, ceramics and metal. Fish glue can also be used in concentrated form on cold substrates. Our fish glue is cooked from unrotten fish remains, which is why the smell of fish glue is not unpleasant. The 300 g are packed in a PE dispenser bottle."
Its' smell is quite discreet and not unpleasant. I can't tell you for sure what is it like.
The dilution I use is 2g fish glue/50ml liquid pigment.
benzimidazolone and phenol
difficulty of measuring correctly the tiny amount of powdered pigment necessary for a single small print, as the test prints are, and the need to ensure identical recipe for all prints, regardless of size (In the tests stage I only use fresh emulsions). Therefore some not very concentrated liquid pigments are much easier to use.
I followed Koraks' advice of using a muller and made some water/Orotan/pigment only suspension. It worked quite well and wasn't so difficult to make. It should work OK, I am sure, and no preserver should be needed.
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