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Thousands of slides tossed in the garbage a decade ago capture the golden age of New York fashion.

Too bad you need to be a NY Times subscriber, to read more than the first half minute of the article
 
wiltw said:
Too bad you need to be a NY Times subscriber, to read more than the first half minute of the article
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I am definitely Not a member, and i can read the "entire" piece.....
 
From a commercial standpoint, these slides may not be worth that much. These models were well-photographed, and these likely added little to the existing collections.
Rights issues would be a mess. Although the photographer may own the copyright, his heirs seemed to have abandoned them, although I guess they can sue if they think there's money in them. But even if copyright is established, someone who throws away slides is not likely to save the model releases.
There is an interesting untold story here. Why take all these photos and then just hide them in the closet? Were these works for hire? Did he sell any of these photos? Were they ever meant to be distributed?
 
CMoore said:
I am definitely Not a member, and i can read the "entire" piece.....
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Twice it put up this window superimposed so the text of the artical was unreadable, after letting me read for about half a minute. I just tried for a third time, and this time it is not interfering...go figure!
 
Wallendo said:
From a commercial standpoint, these slides may not be worth that much. These models were well-photographed, and these likely added little to the existing collections.
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I think the real value is to cultural history; that they are probably 'out-takes' also makes them interesting additions to the models' stories.

Thanks for the link, CMoore - an interesting read.
 
CMoore said:
I wonder if future legal action will arise.?
I suppose it depends if the slides start to make "real" money.......
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It depends if a rights owner by throwing a picture in the bin gives up the rights to it.

This is a complex matter. With slides this idea of course comes up. However even in pre-digital times the image may physicall have been stored otherwise, e.g. in a printing cliché.

Also it is may not be clear who put the slides into the bin. It might not have been the rights owner.

(In german and other legislations the rights of persons depicted also come into the game...)
 
The New York Times website is behind a paywall that permits you to read a small number of articles each day (week/month?) before forcing you to subscribe to continue reading. wiltw probably had read a few things from there earlier before using up his/her free allotment.
 
wiltw said:
Twice it put up this window superimposed so the text of the artical was unreadable, after letting me read for about half a minute. I just tried for a third time, and this time it is not interfering...go figure!
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You may have used up your monthly allotment of free articles. Try accessing the article from a different device.

Apparently the owner of the slides is dead and his presumed heirs threw away the slides.
We don't have access to any contracts or model releases, so we don't really know if the photographer actually owned the rights to the images. Without model releases, the models should still own the rights to their likenesses.

I think the real untold story is how all these slide ended up in a closet to begin with.
 
finaly getting into the article. the slides were in a apartment that had a fire, and they smelled of Smoke. so they were disposed of. the photographer was demised and the family did not have anything to do with the fashion industry and so they did not have any interest.
 
Copyright is inherent upon the creation of the work and is bestowed upon the creator. It can only lapse through time. There is no way to abandon or otherwise dispose of it. Even those who think they are "selling" copyright are only licensing it out or granting use under some kind of agreement.Even if you find it at the bottom of the ocean, the copyright is intact.
 
The copyright may have been assigned to others by the photographer - usually by contract.
If they were Canadian, at that time the copyright would have been held by the photographer unless the photographer was hired by another entity to create the photos, in which case the copyright would belong to the hiring entity.
That was different than the US approach, and has recently been changed to mirror the US approach.
 

Not necessarily applicable at other legislations.
 
I work at a university. The Art History department's slide library had to move so they dumped tens of thousands of slides in the dumpster. They had to move into a smaller space and they had no room for the slide cabinets. They also tossed a 10' light table used to sort and insert the slide into carousels. The rationale is that most of the faculty now get their images for their Powerpoint presentations on line anyway. Is a sad passing of an era.
 
wiltw said:
Too bad you need to be a NY Times subscriber, to read more than the first half minute of the article
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I can read it all fine, despite being a regular reader of the sites articles, so I can't have used up my quota, as yet.

The only thing that is missing is a few pictures around the middle of the article.

Terry S
 
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