If we give them enough money now, they'll cancel the price increase!
You do that… I’ll be buying Portra. Between the two of us we will single-handedly save them!
… and maybe hire some staff that don’t wear red noses and big shoes!If we give them enough money now, they'll cancel the price increase!
All of this makes me want to buy some Tri-X....
Tri-X at Freestyle is out of stock now. I think you can find it at other places...
@BrianShaw And what will those people do? It's like bringing them to 7Eleven. Alaris has no engineering/product muscle or DNA. They are a mediocre B2B printing business with a failing consumer services division (Kodak Moments) which is surviving only because it got lucky some years ago with the exclusive rights to the Kodak brand.
Alaris needs to continue alaring into the ground, and the Kodak brand needs to go back to Kodak.
You realize that you have unfairly insulted monkeys. You owe them an apology!
Actually, the pension funds were moderately well funded, and certainly none of the Kodak Canada pensioners were shortchanged prior to my Dad passing away.they got out of their pension obligations for most of their staff,
The history of Alaris and Eastman Kodak is swell and all, but it has very little to do with whether or not they (whichever one it is) price themselves out of competition.
They could be selling film to fund the breeding of gold-excreting cows, for all that matters.
And if one makes the film and the other sells it, it looks like none will be making film and none will be selling it if no one is going to buy it. Instead of just trying to get more for the film, they should maybe try to sell more of the film. Ilford is constantly trying to do just that by offering and promoting products that make film developing easy for people (as an example). Kodak just reduces the product line. Or, better yet, offers a new product, Ektachrome, which is inscrutably obtuse, since most facility for developing it has evaporated and they (Kodak Alaris) offer no service to do it. A slide film for a world with no slide mounts and no slide projectors.
So WTF is the problem here? Is it like Sirius says: just a bunch of Kodak haters spouting off??
I have to agree about the incongruity of Ektachrome but some folks still crave it. Hard to understand but it is what it is..
You're not getting my point. I'm not saying Kodak makes bad products. They make great products. But have they actually done anything to encourage use of their products?
That you will continue to use their film as they raise their prices: I'm suggesting you might be in a shrinking minority. I'm suggesting that film use is a tenuous thing for a great many people as it is. I'm suggesting that, if they cause too many people to stop buying film because of expense, they will no longer be able to make any film.
That you will continue to use their film as they raise their prices: I'm suggesting you might be in a shrinking minority. I'm suggesting that film use is a tenuous thing for a great many people as it is. I'm suggesting that, if they cause too many people to stop buying film because of expense, they will no longer be able to make any film.
Well, I guess we will have to see at what price Kodak can no longer sell enough film to make a profit.
I have a feeling it is a lot higher than people imagine.
I'm pretty sure prices would have to get a lot higher before sales suffered significantly.
Sure some will switch to other brands due to price, but how many?Yet there are people who posted on this thread that they have already switched to Ilford or Foma because they don't want to spend that much.
Anyway, Kodak announces they're going to raise the price - their stock flies off the shelves, bought by people who don't want to pay the new, higher price. But some people will not respond by stocking up - they'll find an alternative.
Also, ten million Instagrammers buying three rolls of film each is 30 million rolls of film. What happens next year when they all decide to make celery smoothies instead? (You know, a few years ago the price of celery jumped through the roof because of a trend.)
Yet there are people who posted on this thread that they have already switched to Ilford or Foma because they don't want to spend that much.
Did you see my earlier comment about today's prices of Delta and Tmax films?
"I can buy 120 TMY for $8.50 a roll from Blue Moon camera, compared to $8.75 for a roll of Delta 400. (On B&H its $9.00 vs $8.66)"
There is pennies difference between the two. Switching to Ilford isn't going to save you much. Foma might be cheaper, but the product isn't nearly the same as the tabular grain films; it's not a good comparison.
I wonder how much Ilford’s tactics (in comparison with Kodak) have really promoted the use of film/paper/darkroom.
I already know the price difference. Bulk Kentmere 400, for example, if half the price of Tri-X. I know the prices of Delta 400 and Tmax are similar.
Is switching film the danger or is switching to digital the reality? There used to be more reasons to not shoot digital. But it has advanced. It has also become less expensive, since older digital cameras can be bought for next to nothing. And the majority of new (and seemingly existing) film users are already tethered to a computer, since they don't enlarge.
Admirable you are still able to see a proverbial glass as anything but empty, Paul. Not trying to be patronizing. Seriously.
There used to be more reasons to not shoot digital.
In most corporations, dividends are often waived if money is needed for other things such as research and development or marketing. However, the Alaris retirees need their monthly checks. So the business plan is structured for that purpose. Money that should be reinvested to make Alaris more solid for the future, goes to the retirees instead. It's all short-sighted from a business standpoint. In the end, they might not have either a company or a retirement plan.why does this group go so far off Track. Eastman Kodak went bankrupt! they got out of their pension obligations for most of their staff, BUT they were not able to get out of the Liability to the Staff of Kodak Limited. in the UK. to cover this off, they formed Alaris which was given the consumer photo business, and a few other businesses. that manly amounts to the rights to sell Film and paper under the Kodak Name. Alaris did not exist before the Kodak Bankruptcy. Alaris does have a deal whereby Eastman Kodak will make film for them to order. the right is nonexclusive so alaris could chose another supplier. for example they have had some paper made fro them at a former Kodak Plant in Colarado now owned by Carestream, another Kodak spinooff.
subsequently the pension Board in the UK found that the pensions are still underfunded, and so alaris has been selling off some business and real estate. that is where SinoPromise comes in. And yes the management of Alaris is mostly financial people, they are trying to generate enough money to cover the Kodak Limited pensions.
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