As prices go up, photographers might not stop using a particular film. They could cut back. No more bracketing. Less shooting just to shoot. More discriminatory shooting. Etc.
Isn’t it clear? Because I value the quality of film over the quality of digital to the point of actually paying for film over shooting digital for free.
It's clear to me. Not to many other as it seems.
Today, still film usage isn't dictated by the cost of its direct competitor - digital. The users that were price sensitive went digital a LONG time ago. Shopping for best price within a film niche is still happening. But Ilford, Adox, Foma know that they only loose if they don't follow the price leader. They know that they'll have you if they are only $2 cheaper, they don't need to be $5 cheaper.
I’m having a reasoned discussion. It’s only b*tching when other people do itAren't y'all tired of b*tching about this yet? Seriously.
Totally. Just that Jnanz (and a few others) seemed to suggest that kodak lovers would follow kodak’s prices.
I, like maaaany others, am a total whore when it comes to buying film.
Cost to manufacture is going up with all film makers, not just Kodak. So it's not just a matter of following Kodak. All firms have to pass their costs along.It's clear to me. Not to many other as it seems.
Today, still film usage isn't dictated by the cost of its direct competitor - digital. The users that were price sensitive went digital a LONG time ago. Shopping for best price within a film niche is still happening. But Ilford, Adox, Foma know that they only loose if they don't follow the price leader. They know that they'll have you if they are only $2 cheaper, they don't need to be $5 cheaper.
I think it’s called ‘inflation’ and isn’t limited to just film.
Not really. I’d venture to say Absolutely not, actually.
Analyze this; The Magical question to you: why am I not using my favorite films? You must be flabbergasted, aren’t you? Weren’t I supposed to just “buy what I love most”?
Finally, a post that engenders sympathy for you.My name isn't Sal!
There is such a Kodak black and white film. It's TMY-2....it's Ilford for me. I might stretch to a new Kodak b&w if it represented some kind of a real breakthrough in film technology and was head and shoulders above anything else...
Years later, something changed about Ilford sheet film's base side. I use Jobo Expert drums on a CPP-2 processor. Initially, developed sheets were immaculate. Then, using the same chemicals, distilled water, drum rotation speed, process steps, temperature and film (I'm anal retentive about repeatability/details), each and every negative dried with smeary smudges and swirly scratches on its base.
Hi Tom. Yes, I have. CHS 100 II, as well as Bergger Pancro 400, TMX, TMY-2 and 320TXP come out of Expert Drum processing with perfectly clean bases and even results. Ilford sheet films are the only ones to exhibit this problem. Note that I've never used Foma films, so can't comment on them.Sal, I recall discussing the ILFORD and Kodak sheet film situation with you in the past, but I wonder, have you used the Adox CHS II film in conjunction with the Jobo Expert drums?
Tom
It hasn't got anything to do with (ir)rationality of film shooters. Many goods (not just film) will show minimal demand decrease with even a significant price increase (price elasticity of demand). You can hardly be called irrational if you keep buying/drinking the same amount of water even if its price goes up.
Sure, film has higher price elasticity than water, but you can get a good sense that film will be pretty inelastic when you see what some film cameras are sold for lately. Users of those cameras won't just stop using those cameras and film because film has gone up 20%. The large army of users that were price sensitive have exited the market quite some time ago. Truth is, most of us who notice film getting more and more expensive will b***th about it, but will still buy it...
I also don't expect Kodak pricing themselves out of market where they need to be competitive (BW film). It makes much more sense for Kodak's competitors to follow the price increase than try to increase production (and then additionally sort out logistics) in these times.
Better question is why aren't you using digital (being so price sensitive as you say you are)?
As prices go up, photographers might not stop using a particular film. They could cut back. No more bracketing. Less shooting just to shoot. More discriminatory shooting. Etc.
Finally, a post that engenders sympathy for you.
Water never has provided memories to me the way that film does.
Good point. Getting there just to shoot costs more as well. Actually, if you figure cost of gas, insurance, amortization of the car's value, etc. the increase in the cost of film is a tiny part of the whole cost. Then there's development, printing etc. Of course, everything's going up alongside buying film.As prices of film go up, some will cut back on driving since gasoline prices have gone up much more.
That shouldn't be a problem for you. You can walk over to Westwood Village and have a lifetime of photo opportunities. As long as you don't get your old ass beat down and camera stolen by a gangster.As prices of film go up, some will cut back on driving since gasoline prices have gone up much more.
That shouldn't be a problem for you. You can walk over to Westwood Village and have a lifetime of photo opportunities. As long as you don't get your old ass beat down and camera stolen by a gangster.
I require neither your sympathy, nor your trollish response to my contributions to this forum!
I was a substantial user of Ilford sheet film for quite a few years. HARMAN's commitment to its annual special sizes order program was the deciding factor when I spearheaded an effort to revive the Goldilocks format, namely, whole plate:
Years later, something changed about Ilford sheet film's base side. I use Jobo Expert drums on a CPP-2 processor. Initially, developed sheets were immaculate. Then, using the same chemicals, distilled water, drum rotation speed, process steps, temperature and film (I'm anal retentive about repeatability/details), each and every negative dried with smeary smudges and swirly scratches on its base. Extensive experimentation has revealed no means of effectively dealing with this situation. Now, the only way I've got to cleanly process Ilford sheet film is limited to 4x5 in Combi-Plan T tanks. Even inversion on Jobo 2509n reels in 2500-series tanks causes base side scratches.
Manufacturers don't like it when their costs go up as they have to raise prices to cover increases. Then demand could fall off. Sales, profits and earnings drop. Employees start to get laid off. That's the problem with inflation overall. It hurts not only film but the entire economy.
When used in accordance with its directions, the Combi-Plan T rack holds 4x5 sheets under slight compression against the rack's curved slots. I conclude that this prevents any movement of the film during agitation and precludes anything non-liquid, including other sheets, from touching the base side.Sal, what was it about Combi-Plan T tanks that you believe avoided the problem
Thanks
pentaxuser
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