As Ole said, you don't want more density. You do want more density range. Where conventional silver may require a 1.00 or 1.10 density range, you will want to be up into a density range of 1.65 and higher (depending on process). This is accomplished by developing longer along with proper exposure.
In fact the common Zone System practice of placing exposures on Zone III or even IV may be counterproductive since films, by and large, have a maximum attainable density range. These elevated exposures intrude into the attainable density range. Furthermore, not all films can attain the required density range.
You may want to start out increasing your film development time by 40 to 60% more than what you use for silver gelatin, VDB requires a contrastier negative than say palladium.I have read quite a bit on other sites about negative density for alternative process. Does anybody have any insight on zone placement to achieve the higher contrast negative in order to only produce negatives for say Van dyke
rather than employing inter positive or print through methods.
Where would you place darkest shadow shadows in the zone to achieve high contrast negatives or do you just over develop say 75 % from a normal scene reading
rgds
Dusty
You may want to start out increasing your film development time by 40 to 60% more than what you use for silver gelatin, VDB requires a contrastier negative than say palladium.
You may also find that you do need to increase exposure a bit if you do not have adequate or pleasing shadow detail in your prints. Try 1/3 to 1/2 stop more exposure if you think you need better shadow details in your VDB prints.
Unfortunately people are often advised to make large exposure increases for alt prints which is usually not necessary.
Each alt process has it's own characteristic printing curve so some testing of one kind or another will be called for.
Good luck,
You don't want more density in the shadows, just a lot more difference between shadows and highlights.
So I expose normally, and develop more (or use a staining developer).
You don't want more density in the shadows, just a lot more difference between shadows and highlights.
So I expose normally, and develop more (or use a staining developer).
...However, my experience is that it is more common to over-expose than under-expose when exposing and printing for alternative processes. The fact that you need a much higher contrast negative (requiring longer development time) can increase effective film speed by as much as a full stop. When I plan to develop negatives to a DR of 1.8 or higher I always use a meter reading that is 1.5X the nominal film speed....Sandy King
Hey there Sandy!
On top of this, throw in that my exposures are usually 30 sec to 30 minutes long under the Redwoods, so due to resiprocity failure, my film stops acting "normal". I just end up increasing the exposure enough to finally kick up enough exposure in the shadows to register (on FP4) -- and this seems to create enough contrast...without much over-developing.
I will have to treat my recent negs from Yosemite differently, as those exposures rarely were over 2 seconds long.
Vaughn
Vaughn,
What film are you using? With exposures that long you might want to consider a film like TMY...
Sandy King
Vaughn,
What film are you using? With exposures that long you might want to consider a film like TMY, if you are not already using it. Compared to traditional films like TRI-X, FP4+, etc. TMY has very low reciprocity failure.
Doing any carbon printing these days? ....BTW, will you be going to APIS this summer? Would sure like to see some of your new work.
Sandy King
I doubt I can make the APIS...I'd love to, but the cost of traveling so far for such a short time is just too much. Practicality demands that I put food on the table...those three boys of mine will start chewing on my legs if I don't keep their stomachs filled! I would love to see how well you have used the relief aspect of the process.
Vaughn
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