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In several previous threads, people have mentioned that hard to explain visceral or gut feeling, the moment when you’re casually looking at photographs and suddenly one stops you cold, resonates deeply, and you don’t quite know why.

Have you ever tried to think about this feeling in a more systematic way? What are the qualities that for you tend to trigger it?

When I reflect on the photographs that have affected me this way, a few recurring elements seem to appear:

  1. Economy of elements — a sense that less is more e.g Roy De Carava hand outside a car
  2. Ambiguity — images that , even though you clearly see what they depict, somehow also depict "nothing." e.g. Andre Kertesz man carrying a boat
  3. Narrative potential — a photograph that feels like the beginning of a long story, one you could imagine or write if you had the right words. e.g. August Sander the Gypsy
  4. A strong but restrained form — structure that supports the image without overpowering it, a balance between form and content, e.g. Bill Brandt - Francis Bacon Portrait
  5. Dynamic relationships within the frame — a dialogue between elements that creates tension or contrast. e.g. Garry Winogrand Women Walking in LA
  6. Nostalgia — the feeling of stillness or a moment frozen in time, something that has passed in time and will never come back again or be the way it was. e.g. HCB behind the Gare St. Lazare
  7. An unforgettable face — one that lingers in your mind long after you’ve looked away. e.g. Paul Strand Portrait of a Young Man
  8. Tenderness - Beauty and compassion e.g. Eugene Smith walk in the garden
I’m curious to hear how others experience this. What makes a photograph stay with you?
 

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This work tends to have something flowing through it related to life and death or the shortness of any experience. It goes beyond the ordinary considerations that people make in their everyday life.

Your list is a pretty good one. I think that all its points are somewhat related to each other and to what I mentioned in some way as well.

It's very difficult to think of this in a systematic way. Personally, I'm perception-heavy which means I understand all this on a subconscious level which isn't open to the analysis part of my brain. Yet I can tell it's all coherent because it demonstrates a predictive power that can be tested. And perhaps that's part of the key - the feeling you're describing is speaking to our subconscious understanding.
 
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Normally, you kill something if you cut it apart.

Not all experiences need systematic evaluation.
 

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That feeling comes when we stop consciously thinking so I don’t analyze it but, rather, just savor the experience.
 
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Normally, you kill something if you cut it apart.

Not all experiences need systematic evaluation.

I agree, part of the power comes that it resists systematic analysis or explanation.
But my purpose was to explore recurring visual triggers, that might also help us to understand more why some image affects us like that (especially if the same image produces this emotion to more than one of us) and not to kill the magic
 

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Normally, you kill something if you cut it apart.

Not all experiences need systematic evaluation.

I just live the moment.
 

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It usually happens very quickly for me. Kind of a shock of recognition, or as HCB put it, "Yes!". The word "stunned" comes to mind. It's something that is so right that all the elements come together, or coalesce. It's perceived as some kind of "perfection." Painting also does that for me.
 
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It usually happens very quickly for me. Kind of a shock of recognition, or as HCB put it, "Yes!". The word "stunned" comes to mind. It's something that is so right that all the elements come together, or coalesce. It's perceived as some kind of "perfection." Painting also does that for me.

Yes this is what I understood when you first mentioned it in another thread.
But looking after some time at the photos that caused this feeling for you can you find any common traits among them?
For example this “all things come together” might also read that if you try to crop or remove any element from the photo it falls apart.
 

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“je ne sais quoi”

I tend to put my explanation in the above term 🙂
 

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visceral or gut feeling

Yes many years ago I was marking the work of A-Level photography students. Because there were so many, we spreaded them out on the floor of a gymnasium, probably 150+ (can't remember). I came across a photograph by one girl of her dressed up as a fairy in a forest. It's difficult to describe, but it was out of this world in terms of the moment she had arrested within a perfect tonal composition. Never seen anything like it. It was out of this world. Done on film before Photoshop.
 
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I agree, part of the power comes that it resists systematic analysis or explanation.
But my purpose was to explore recurring visual triggers, that might also help us to understand more why some image affects us like that (especially if the same image produces this emotion to more than one of us) and not to kill the magic

Think of what you are asking for like someone explaining a joke. But think of it like you're only hearing the explanation of the joke. It won't be funny.
 

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In her current book Art Work, Sally Mann describes that visceral feeling as: "The trick is to eye things askance, in passing, in the liminal moments while thinking about your failed car inspection, and maybe, if you're lucky, one of the images will give you an unmistakable gut-flutter, an internal vibration like a tree full of starlings."
 

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In her current book Art Work, Sally Mann describes that visceral feeling as: "The trick is to eye things askance, in passing, in the liminal moments while thinking about your failed car inspection, and maybe, if you're lucky, one of the images will give you an unmistakable gut-flutter, an internal vibration like a tree full of starlings."

That is some rather impressive Word-Smithing.
Perhaps she should have pursued Poetry/Writing 🙂
 

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"I think I feel an orgasm coming on." --Brett Weston
"If you have to ask what jazz is, you'll never know." --Louis Armstrong
 

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..... this “all things come together” might also read that if you try to crop or remove any element from the photo it falls apart.

Quite possibly. At the same time, however, a good crop might make the picture "perfect."
 
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“What is time then? If nobody asks me, I know; but if I were desirous to explain it to one that should ask me, plainly I do not know”

St. Augustine

P.S. In the Photographers threads I think we came closer to that when we were analyzing why some photos were so good. Perhaps I should have posted it there
 

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Have you ever tried to think about this feeling in a more systematic way? What are the qualities that for you tend to trigger it?
For me, it doesn't work that way. It's not a situation where "a, b and c are present in certain degrees and then the feeling triggers." It's instantaneous and physical. I could try to explain it afterwards (since there's no 'before' to begin with), but the intellectual explanation never cuts it. Which is to say, I could take the post-hoc identified criteria and apply them to an abysmal image and they'd still be there, but not the physical response.

Why do you find someone attractive - is it because of their symmetrical face? Maybe that's part of it, but not everyone with a symmetrical face will be attractive to you. There's a lot going on all at one.

I don't you can really explain the phenomenon of a couple of million neurons firing in a non-deterministic fashion to a complex set of internal & external stimuli. It just "is".

part of the power comes that it resists systematic analysis or explanation.
The whole essence is that it resists systematic analysis.

Explain the taste of an orange to me.
Explain the color blue.
Explain how an orgasm feels.
You can't, but we can all relate to the experience.
 
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For me, it doesn't work that way. It's not a situation where "a, b and c are present in certain degrees and then the feeling triggers." It's instantaneous and physical. I could try to explain it afterwards (since there's no 'before' to begin with), but the intellectual explanation never cuts it. Which is to say, I could take the post-hoc identified criteria and apply them to an abysmal image and they'd still be there, but not the physical response.

Why do you find someone attractive - is it because of their symmetrical face? Maybe that's part of it, but not everyone with a symmetrical face will be attractive to you. There's a lot going on all at one.

I don't you can really explain the phenomenon of a couple of million neurons firing in a non-deterministic fashion to a complex set of internal & external stimuli. It just "is".


The whole essence is that it resists systematic analysis.

Explain the taste of an orange to me.
Explain the color blue.
Explain how an orgasm feels.
You can't, but we can all relate to the experience.

I get it, that even all of these conditions you posteriori define are met, the feeling might not be triggered at all in another photo.
But if someone asks you to explain what makes a photograph resonate for you - beyond the trivial rules about composition - what would you say? Again very general terms and words.
Perhaps I am more in seek for some qualities that might make a photo speak to some individuals.
Not at all about deciphering or crafting any set of predefined "rules"
 
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Not a whole lot. It works or it doesn't. Sorry, that's all I got.
I could list things I like about a photo. I cannot give causes why I come to like it.

Funny but this is exactly the philosophy of :
1) Japanese art teachers - they provide simply this "yes" or "no" to their students without explanations.
2) Garry Winogrand - In his photography class in the University of Maine and Columbia in the 70s he never provided any detailed explanations despite the students asking for them, it was simply "works for me" vs "doesn't work for me".
 

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Funny but this is exactly the philosophy of

It's not that odd. Most people you ask won't be able to give you much in the way of an explanation. Perhaps you expect more of one here, because we're all interested in photography.

More often than not, though, the shutter is released when we think "That looks good", "That looks interesting", "That looks right." with no greater insight into the scene than that. Then, often, you look through the results and just can't find what made you take the photo because perhaps the camera or our skill didn't meet the challenge - or perhaps it wasn't possible at all.
 
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It's not that odd. Most people you ask won't be able to give you much in the way of an explanation. Perhaps you expect more of one here, because we're all interested in photography.

More often than not, though, the shutter is released when we think "That looks good", "That looks interesting", "That looks right." with no greater insight into the scene than that. Then, often, you look through the results and just can't find what made you take the photo because perhaps the camera or our skill didn't meet the challenge - or perhaps it wasn't possible at all.

Maybe i was misunderstood but I didn't refer to the process of taking a photograph but rather looking at them (and photographs of others) afterwards.
 

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Maybe i was misunderstood but I didn't refer to the process of taking a photograph but rather looking at them (and photographs of others) afterwards.

And?

Do you think there's a significant difference between what you see in a scene you photograph and what you see in a photo someone else took? What are you trying to do when you take a photo?

You like to quote people. What did Winogrand say? "I photograph to find out what something will look like photographed."
 
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