The term "philosophy" in photography.

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Hi,all

It's a way of speaking when we use the word "philosophy" and it mostly applies to some other,let's say intrinsic,aspects of what we want to emphasize.But strictly speaking,is there any real meaning in "philosophy" -in concern to photography- or not? And if yes,which or what, is it?
Any idea?

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Philosophy means "a love for wisdom", but in modern times it has taken the meaning of "beliefs".
The real question is if one believes in an Absolute Truth or a Personal Truth, both of which a relevant
and followed by artists in their creative quest.
One also could ask if there is something to look for or is it an reaction to the creative instinct:
Do you create because you are, or you are because you create?

For myself I would say Both.
 

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Philosophy means "a love for wisdom", but in modern times it has taken the meaning of "beliefs".

Sadly, so. But leave it to the Greeks to want to refine the meaning. :smile:

I went to a small liberal arts university run by the Marianists (Catholic teaching order). We had to have 4 semesters of philosophy to graduate - regardless of the degree! One of my elective courses was metaphysics. This was mostly Aristotle. This study of the search for the one, true, good and beautiful made me a better thinker, but (ironically) less of a Christian. :rolleyes:

I've never been that philosophical about my photography, other than I want my pictures to be truthful and beautiful. I'll leave the goodness to the judgement of others.
 
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Philosophy means "a love for wisdom", but in modern times it has taken the meaning of "beliefs"
I don't mix philosophy and theology.The second has of course many aspects that are similar,almost identical, to theology.But these two "roads",better say way of thinking, are somewhere definitely separated.
Do you create because you are, or you are because you create?
I do not create anything.I'm just making or doing something.
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I come from an academic background, so for me "Philosophy" regarding photography is not about wisdom, or way of life, but rather more technical questions concerning the modes of existence of photography. A standard philosophical question about photography would be: Are photographs inherently more truthful representations than drawings or painting? Another one would be: Are the skills of the photographer and the painter comparable?

These are broad, far-reaching questions that are usually best answered by breaking them down into smaller questions. But they occupy people who write academic articles about photography.
 

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I think it's an absolute "yes" to your question.

When I think of philosphy in photography I think of the era that I am most interested in, that of the Group F/64 photographers and their philosophy versus the pictorialists of the time. The pictorialists used photography to imitate other art forms such as painting, while the straight photographers believed in just the opposite---photography and the photographic image itself as art. A photograph presented as a photograph with no attempt to present it as some other form of art.

To me, those are two distinct philosophical approaches spawned from the same medium. I know there are other art historians here that can expand on it much better than me, but that's my take on it.

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I went to a small liberal arts university run by the Marianists (Catholic teaching order). We had to have 4 semesters of philosophy to graduate - regardless of the degree! One of my elective courses was metaphysics. This was mostly Aristotle. This study of the search for the one, true, good and beautiful made me a better thinker, but (ironically) less of a Christian. :rolleyes:

Well, Aristotle was hardly a Christian, and so it's not that surprising.
 
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As Arigram said, 'philosophy' tends to mean a group of beliefs, or a general outlook on a subject. E.g. "What's your philosophy of judicial interpretation?" "Judges should looks to the original meaning and intent of the laws writers."
 
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Peter De Smidt:Well, Aristotle was hardly a Christian, and so it's not that surprising

That's why I don't dress in philosophy to theology.
 

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I do not create anything.I'm just making or doing something.
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What's the difference?
A photograph is the creation of an image on a blank space.
Its as much a creation as a pencil dot on a white piece of paper, a single note out of an instrument, a step out of a dancer.
Maybe you consider the word a "heavy" one, but "doing" or "making" are only slight different in meaning and when not pausing in semantics, the action carries the same weight.
The action of pointing a camera and pressing the shutter would be an empty one only if it had no results. From the moment that you
a) Affect your environment (see the FBI thread)
b) Affect yourself
c) Create an image
Doing leads to making which is creation.
 
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To arigram:

Since you wrote this: Philosophy means "a love for wisdom", but in modern times it has taken the meaning of "beliefs".The real question is if one believes in an Absolute Truth or a Personal Truth, you understand,I may guess,the difference between "creating" and "making".A "personal truth" is only my truth but a "absolute truth" is for everyone,no matter admited or not.

That's the reason we all like the sexy gray I think (smile).

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Ok, so since this is about the semantics of the two words, maybe I should elaborate.
The problem is that I am not certain if you are are thinking in greek or english as there
could be a difference there.
"Making" usually takes the meaning of constructing, putting something together from a
sum of existing materials, that is manipulating those materials to form something else.
It is used for material and inanimate constructs. For example, a car is just a body with
an engine and wheels.
In greek often also carries the meaning of "repairing".
"Creating" is the act that has a lot of philosophical weight as often it applies to the making
of something and breathing life into it. As if creator is manufacturing another living creature.
Many times it is also implied that a creation will come out of nowhere or its base materials
are completely devalued compared to the final result. So, a creation is not a sum of its parts.
A child is not just a sum of meat and bones and a painting is not just a sum of paints and canvas.
This implication is very often problematic and stumbles upon philosophical and theological obstacles.
Theological as it is in many religions where only the singular deity can be titled creator and giver of life,
thus all artistic depictions are severely limited. Philosophical as its weight feels heavy to many
artists that timidly reject the words art,artist,creation,etc and also debate upon its meaning and extension.
So, it comes to the Absolute/Personal Truth matter, the base of every philosophy and often is unresolved.
A Personal Truth is a truth of the moment: it exists only NOW and is not the one that existed before and
not the one that will exist in the future. It is the sum of a human beings' perception of the Whole and is
limited and dynamic as is the human nature.
The Absolute Truth is an ideal that philosophers and theologians try to reach. It has the meaning of Utopia:
unreachable, but the goal is not to actually reach it but work towards it. Thus, for example, any debate
upon the nature of Creation or Beauty, can be defined as a set of Personal Truths reaching out to the Absolute Truth.
An Absolute Truth is meaningless and that is its point.
As one defines Creation, Beauty, Art, etc, one can always have a different definition and no one has the authority
to make one official, because the Absolute Truth will always escape us.
Only fanatics name their Personal Truths as Absolute or hold a singular text as Absolute Truths.
By I may digress.
Going back to photography,
when one presses the shutter, that very instant, that moment, all one's Personal Truth is contained.
Since a Personal Truth exists only in the moment, a human being's soul is activated by that shutter press.
That shutter press that will make something appear on where it was blank. Because we choose to give
meaning to the changed state of chemicals, we give the meaning of "image" and "blank".
An unexposed film is not immaterial, it just doesn't contain an "image".
So, the making of an image is both physical and ideological. You can choose to see something or not.
You can also name it a construct or a creation, as it is just a Personal Truth.
There is no Absolute Truth to define an artwork as having soul or not, as there is not one that defines a soul.
So, in the end, if you believe your photograph to be a result of making or creating, is relevant only to
yourself and your other artwork and may or may not have an impact on your personal artistic approach.
 
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you can go to photo.net to see what is it. Very soon you will conclude: philosophy of photography is when retired professional boxer want to prove that digital imaging is photography so he make the whole new discipline, how photo.net call it, philosophy of photogr. Then another retired ... comes even with more "arguments" for he paid $9000 for dig. stuff to be an artist, ....
 
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