The Sudden Death of Local C-41 Processing

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Paul Verizzo

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So, I've been on an analog photo hiatus for about two years. Up until about 2011 or 2012, my local Walgreens carried some 35mm films including Tri-X and BWCN400. Processing was on site and I could get negs only, scan them myself. Across the street, the CVS was similar.

Between two and three years ago, both companies pulled their minilab machines. Walgreens kept a couple of locations active, the others feeding into them with a five day turnaround!

Now, CVS sells two or three 35mm low grade films and a few disposable cameras. They do no processing, nor do they send it out. Dead in the water.

Walgreens will send your film to Fuji with a ten day turnaround. They have the kiosk to use your phone or camera memory to make prints from digital. The woman I was talking to didn't know about any other sites with the minilab still operating, but another employee overheard us and was able to tell me that a Walgreens about seven miles away still ran their minilab; he was at that store until two weeks ago. If the woman is correct, Walgreens doesn't even do courier service to that remaining store.

I get it. Very few people shoot film anymore. But some do, and not just us die hards. Old people comfortable with their P&S's, young people who had to grab a disposable.

It strikes me that there is a chicken and egg thing going on here. Minilabs shut down w/o alternatives leading to less film and camera sales which leads to.......

Also, a missed business opportunity. Remember the old couriers that would come by the grocery store and other locations, pick up and deliver? Well, it doesn't have to be every day, but it could be scheduled for a few times per week. And if no film is dropped off, don't come by.

Why would they bother? To bring customers into the store, not to make money on the processing. An old, successful business model. And everyone needs something from Walgreens while they are there!

There is obviously a huge amount of C-41 film still being sold online, if not in some physical locations. Where is this all being processed? Surely only a small percentage will do it at home. Via mail to one of the remaining custom labs?

The bottom line is the "everywhere" C-41 processing died in a matter of about four years! That's even faster than video rentals or CD's for music!
 

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...The bottom line is the "everywhere" C-41 processing died in a matter of about four years! That's even faster than video rentals or CD's for music!

Yes it did. I say in the last 6 years but what's the difference... really.

Last I knew we still have 1 local Costco that is doing film processing in-house. But I haven't been there for a couple of months so I wouldn't bet on that. We had a RiteAid (or Walgreens) drug store that was advertising in-house processing as recently as two years ago but that ended. I've been mail-order processing for several years now as my primary method.

I'm not complaining though. The mail-order lab that I use is professional and does enough business to not make me worry about the problems of yore when mini-lab operators didn't always know what they were doing or didn't keep their chemistry up to par. There is a good side to processing consolidation, although it is a bit more inconvenient than in the good old days.
 
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Same here. My family gifted me a canon ixus 145 digital camera and what a terrible camera it is , I will try to use film as much as I can.
 

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Be aware that if you take your film in to Walgreens et al, you may not get your negs back.
 

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But think about it this way... if the good business opportunity and the business model of the past would work today, why hasn't anyone revived it. There could be a very good reason... it wouldn't work in today's market.
 

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It also could be due to the fact that only one person is making the decision.... one who has both feet firmly planted on the digital side of the fence and is totally oblivious to the real world.
 

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I live in a big-notsobig island; there are still plenty of minilabs running near and in the major cities whereas in the most remote and low populated zones labs have disappeared.
C41, here, is hanging in there BUT the situation is starting to change. In fact, I have to wait half a day for having my negatives developed. On the other hand, printing requires just few minutes.

E6, however, requires few days for being developed; I think that it must be shipped to the mainland.
 
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Sudden? It's been slowly happening for at least 10-15 years around here. Still some "local" options for me within a 15-30 min drive but because I rarely shoot color or chromes anymore I hardly use them and prefer mail order options anyway. Better price and quality.

But yes the day of dropping film at Walmart, Walgreens, or Target or some local easily found 1-hour lab are gone but it's not like 3-4 years ago they were all that prevalent anyway at least in a way a serious shooter would want to use them. Heck, I remember using Walgreens about 10 years ago fairly regularly for just color neg developing. Then I came in a little early and they were just finishing my negs and the girl held the long strip by one end, started to roll it and then pulllllllllled to tighten the roll up to fit in a canister (never mind that I had specifically asked them to just sleeve them) of course scratching the heck out of the roll. I got fairly upset and she could not fathom why. That and a week or two later when some negs came back all streaked from them using old chemicals and I was through with Walgreens...
 

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Where have you been, It's been happening for years all over the World, I haven't had my films processed locally for at least five years, There are still many exellent mail order labs that do a much better job than your local one hour mini labs, and I'm much more concerned with quality than speed.
 

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Funny, I just had a conversation with a lady this weekend about how she had a ton of film to get developed, but Walgreen has stopped processing it. I pointed her in the right direction. She has many years worth of photos she wants to get developed now. I can't help but wonder how many exposed, unprocessed hoards of film are out there.
 

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There has been a lot of local processing dieing on the vine going around. I hope it stops spreading before it all goes away.
 

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Also, a missed business opportunity. Remember the old couriers that would come by the grocery store and other locations, pick up and deliver? Well, it doesn't have to be every day, but it could be scheduled for a few times per week. And if no film is dropped off, don't come by.

Well, over here that courier service to and from industrial labs from chain-drugstores and photo shops is still available in many even very small towns. Though no longer over-night processing.

One-hour lab services were not that much spread.
 

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I had this same thing happen to me over in Albuquerque. I could send it out , however they keep and destroy the negitives. NO WAY!!! There is however one last pro lab that still does C-41 for all my 120 stuff and now appears that I'll have them do 35mm for now on. which is okay. I asked them some time ago how their film processing work flow was doing? They said their film processing exceed their digital work, which means that they will continue doing film for a long while.. I think the other alternative is to send film to on-line pro labs for processing. which is pretty reasonable.
 

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I doubt that there is a huge amount of C41 film being sold online. I'm sure that what is being sold is mostly traditional B&W film (all formats including sheet film), and some slide films.
 

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One of the problems is that color processing machines need to run some number of rolls of film daily to remain in control and give good results. Once a store's daily volume drops below that number, you really wouldn't want you film processed in their machine.
 

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This is the correct reason... good labs stop when the volume is so low that quality suffers they stop the process... there is no show if there is no audience..
One of the problems is that color processing machines need to run some number of rolls of film daily to remain in control and give good results. Once a store's daily volume drops below that number, you really wouldn't want you film processed in their machine.
 
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Be aware that if you take your film in to Walgreens et al, you may not get your negs back.

Funny, because all I want are negatives!

I found a lab in St. Petersburg, Zebra photo, who will process a roll to negs for $5.50 and I presume shipping. Appears to be a Mom and Pop business, closing for a funeral. I like supporting people like that.

I should have mentioned to start with I'm in Sarasota Florida, a bit over 50,000 people, fifty miles south of Tampa. Not the boondocks. (But not LA where I used to spend Saturday mornings in Freestyle just breathing the ambiance......)
 
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I doubt that there is a huge amount of C41 film being sold online. I'm sure that what is being sold is mostly traditional B&W film (all formats including sheet film), and some slide films.

Maybe not huge as in how it was ten years ago, but all the big houses we know and love stock a lot of variety, still, even Kodak pro. If they were selling it, they wouldn't bother.
 
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@benjiboy and Richard. Yes, sudden. No, it hasn't been going on for "years," unless you are thinking of four of them as "years." Most consumers didn't know what digital was well into the 2000's. That's ten years ago. Fifteen years ago there were only two companies making color prints from jpegs, Ophoto and Shutterfly. At $1 a piece.

When services are available everywhere for some forty years, just start declining only three to four years ago, and are effectively GONE two years after that, I think that qualifies as "sudden."
 

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I considered mail order model film process for my business and decided against it.. I prefer working with people directly and getting to know their work . Mail order seems so impersonal - open to problems that
not for me..


Right you are, which is why couriering still makes sense.
 

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I considered mail order model film process for my business and decided against it.. I prefer working with people directly and getting to know their work . Mail order seems so impersonal - open to problems that
not for me..

Only problem with that, Bob, is that I (and others like me who don't live near you) can't be one of your clients... no matter how much I would like to be.
 
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Only problem with that, Bob, is that I (and others like me who don't live near you) can't be one of your clients... no matter how much I would like to be.

True that! Bob, can you please relocate to San Francisco area? Preferably the east bay, so I may use your services? :smile:

I do have to send out some color C41 film though. Neg development only. Imagine I'll use Dwayne's or Richard Photo Lab (I like the ring of that one) unless someone recommends a different place?
 
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