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The highest speed though, might be obtained as follows: Run AgNO3 into pure Iodide, thus giving AgI nuclei, and then, when you have run just enough Silver, stop and dump in Bromide and continue running Iodide. This way you get a core-shell emulsion with a smooth gradation of iodide out to the surface. This method is very complex in actual practice but produces some very fine grained, high speed films with ISO values of 800 or higher.
By 'dump', does that mean that the bromide goes in all at once/ over a very short period of time?
And, I know this is very arcane stuff, but does this method offer significantly faster/ more efficient (cost effective) emulsion making than more traditional methods? Or in other words, does this method have major similarities to the way that the most up-to-date emulsions are made?
It all sounds like something that would be fascinating to try out, however, is this the methodology that needs very high speed turbine mixers, or am I getting it confused with another type of emulsion making technique?
Anyway, another fascinating tutorial - thanks!
Yes, the Bromide goes in all at once.
It does not make things more efficient, it improves speed and grain along with possible improvements in sharpness.
Turbine mixers? Where did you get that? Mixing is critical with some of these but I am curious about where you connected this.
PE
Meant a homogeniser... - as per: (there was a url link here which no longer exists) & I had remembered 'turbine' without the specific phrase 'shrouded turbine'... A very good case of why I should not write a question at 2 in the morning...
Thanks for this information, its very interesting.
I am no chemist but I am tempted experiment. I do feel a bit unsure of where to start. Lets say I modified Mark Ostermans basic formula so that I precipitated the iodine into the crock like you suggest, rather then mix it in at the start.
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Marks is 3g of gelatin dissolved into 85ml distilled
Added to this 10.5g KBr and .4g KI
Then 12g AgNO3 is dissolved into 85ml distilled water then is precipitated into the gelatin-bromide-iodide mix.
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I would need to dissolve the .4g of iodide with some distilled in order to precipitate it into the crock, but Im worried about adding too much water into the mix weakening the emulsion.
So would you suggest borrowing the water from the gelatin-bromide solution or borrowing it from the silver nitrate solution? Or maybe a bit of both?
Thus maybe:
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3g of gelatin dissolved into 56ml distilled
Added to this 10.5g KBr
.4g of KI dissolved into 56ml of distilled water, then is precipitated into the gelatin-bromide mix along with the AgNO3.
12g AgNO3 is dissolved into 56ml distilled water then is precipitated into the gelatin-bromide-iodide mix.
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I hope that makes sense?
I show examples in the book and on the DVD. There are 25 books and about 5 sets of DVDs left.
I'll check to see what is going on there. In the mean time, they are sold by Fotoimpex in Germany.
PE
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I have some Perutz formulas here.
PE
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Jens, the formulas I have are not labeled as to product and are not slow in terms of the speeds of that era.
PE
That's very kind of You, many thanks!I have two or three badly copied Perutz formulas from the '40s They appear to be incomplete to me. I'll check. They are put away in an avalanche of data here and will take some digging.
PE
In your initial post, PE, you’re describing, partly, what Edgerton, Germeshausen, and Grier sold to Eastman-Kodak in 1963-64. Extended Range Technology. Right?
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