the greatest advert kodak never made...

alan doyle · Feb 3, 2009

i do not know if you guys have seen this but it is american tv at it's
world beating best..
i believe it was written by one of the lead writers on the soprano's.
a simple scene set up fantastic script,great acting.
and what resonance for glittering new technologies versus old..
a eulogy to memory..
the kodak Carousel, kodachrome, panatomic x these are not just wonderful inspiring evocative names..
they connect consciously and unconsciously...

the set up is don is pitching an idea to rather stiff looking kodak execs...some things never change.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uvtcQxS9usk

PaulW128 · Feb 3, 2009

Alan;

I remember that clip, I watched the show and this scene brought chills to my spine and tears to my eyes, it was amazing.

It was also very emotional for me as the Carousel slide projector in the scene is the identical one my father owned, and now I have it!

I can still remember the smell of the screen when my Dad would take out the projector and show us some slides he shot

Thanks so much for posting

Paul

David A. Goldfarb · Feb 3, 2009

I've posted this before, but it's appropriate here:

National Geographic, 1958

alan doyle · Feb 3, 2009

mr goldfarb sir..
where is the wheel...
your gonna have to spend the rest of the day,finding and advert for the Carousel.

Pat Erson · Feb 3, 2009

Where's the American Dream gone?
We had kodachrome, panatomic x and a general state of well-being.
Now we have cheap digicams, a credit crunch, and a possible global default...

MikeSeb · Feb 3, 2009

I hope Mad Men makes it in the ratings. It's the best thing on television.

I'm just old enough to retain childhood memories of the look and feel of the early sixties. After Eisenhower but before things went to hell in Vietnam. They have that milieu spot-on.

Fotoguy20d · Feb 3, 2009

David A. Goldfarb said:
I've posted this before, but it's appropriate here:

National Geographic, 1958

I have one of those and still use it (or, at least, still have slides in the trays). It does the rest? - hah! Those little metal slide frames get bent and jam up all the time. The accompanying clunking noise makes you cringe at the thought you're about to spend the next minute or two trying to get it going again.

Dan

alan doyle · Feb 7, 2009

the link at top of page is down,here you go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2bLNkCqpuY

keithwms · Feb 7, 2009

Aww it's removed. Too bad.

Michel Hardy-Vallée · Feb 7, 2009

You can get all the Mad Men episodes via the CTV.ca website.

keithwms · Feb 7, 2009

Which episode was this clip from?

alan doyle · Feb 7, 2009

i have know idea never even seen the show but this clip is fantastic,so evocative.
the BBC used to make the best tv in the world,now it is HBO.
think i will have to get the dvd series..

Toffle · Feb 7, 2009

"... in Greek, nostalgia literally means the pain from an old wound."
I wish I had written that.
(just give me time... I will. )

Very powerful clip.

Cheers,

Louis Nargi · Feb 7, 2009

Amazing

alan doyle · Feb 7, 2009

so much tv today relies on flash music video technique,crash zooms,shaky doc style camera.
these guys have nailed it,great writing and solid classical camerawork..
what would of taken this to another level though,would of been the director using kodachrome or ektachrome slides in the carousel..

markbb · Feb 8, 2009

Sorry, I have to disagree. It's a saccharine coated sugar pill of sentimentality that too much US TV and films rely on.

alan doyle · Feb 8, 2009

markbb said:
Sorry, I have to disagree. It's a saccharine coated sugar pill of sentimentality that too much US TV and films rely on.

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the emotionally tough south london crew has spoken,in filmic terms uk tv commercials are some of the best in the world.
music videos used to be good as well.
but drama is a disaster.
is the wire to sweet for you,six feet under,dexter.
these are all shows that have more ideas in them in 2 mins than 60 mins of uk tv.
the interplay of good writers,directors and actors.
the americans understand character development,look at the sopranos.
what i liked about the clip was it's sentimentality, the old versus the new.
the Proustian,remembrance of things that have past.
memory in the analogue,not digital.
go on admit you had a little tear in your eye.

keithwms · Feb 8, 2009

I don't think Mad Men is saccharine in general. Weirdly (counter?)nostalgic in some places, sure. But these are a highly dysfunctional group of men who somehow figure out how to hook mainstream people into buying products. The mainstream people come across as oddly numb and oblivious to the emotional propaganda that the agency produces. Everyone drinks and smokes profusely and has two or three deep dark secrets. Women are treated awfully; children too, and the show throws in a few real news events now and then just to give us some minor relief in knowing that this whole thing is set back then, not now. As a gen-xer I would certainly not say that the show evokes saccharine; it is amusingly disturbing... more like lime than saccharine

Anyway, Mark, you might prefer Breaking Bad, which is less focused on saccharine than other chemicals

P.S. Alan, I wouldn't deny Mark his opinion nor resort to generalizations just because he didn't care for one little clip...

tim_walls · Feb 8, 2009

alan doyle said:
the emotionlly tough south london crew has spoken,in filmic terms uk tv commercials are some of the best in the world.
music videos used to be good as well.
but drama is a disaster.
is the wire to sweet for you,six feet under,dexter.
these are all shows that have more ideas in them in 2 mins than 60 mins of uk tv.
the interplay of good writers,directors and actors.
the americans understand character development,look at the sopranos.
what i liked about the clip was it's sentimentality, the old versus the new.
the Proustian,remembrance of things that have past.
memory in the analogue,not digital.
go on admit you had a little tear in your eye.

:rolleyes:

jmxphoto · Feb 8, 2009

This was a pic from a photography industry trade show some years ago, when "viral marketing" was the thing.

alan doyle · Feb 8, 2009

i can see the kodak marketing dept's brain storming session.
come on guy's digital is killing us,we are losing big time here.
we need to show the public the resolution charts that is proof of films greater quality over digital.
we need to do a road show,get the film technical dept out into shopping malls,with the resolution charts.
sir i am not sure that will work,folks don't care bout resolution tests and stuff.
ok then why don't we send hot girls out all over america with kodak knickers on,and get them to keep droppin stuff

Andy K · Feb 8, 2009

alan doyle said:
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the emotionally tough south london crew has spoken,in filmic terms uk tv commercials are some of the best in the world.
music videos used to be good as well.
but drama is a disaster.
is the wire to sweet for you,six feet under,dexter.
these are all shows that have more ideas in them in 2 mins than 60 mins of uk tv.
the interplay of good writers,directors and actors.
the americans understand character development,look at the sopranos.
what i liked about the clip was it's sentimentality, the old versus the new.
the Proustian,remembrance of things that have past.
memory in the analogue,not digital.
go on admit you had a little tear in your eye.

You're new here aren't you.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/photography/genius/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharpe_(TV_series)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/28_Days_Later

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Is_England

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slumdog_Millionaire

alan doyle · Feb 8, 2009

quote.
You're new here aren't you.

yes i'm a virgin here maybe you can help me.

sharpe your avin a laugh..
28 days later was a feature film.
so was this is england
and slum dog
photography genius was a documentary
so looks like sharpe is the greatest tv drama since pennies from heaven or the singing detective.

Andy K · Feb 8, 2009

I prefer British drama to the formulaic crap that gets shipped over from the US. Shakey camera work (woo, how original) split screen (gosh, never seen that before), graphic violence (whoop de doo).

Six Feet Under was total crap, it was well named because that was where it belonged. Then you send us Lost, more crap that has no plot and is made up as it goes along. The Wire I've seen dozens of times in many different forms, nothing original there. Dexter, gosh its Monk but he's a reformed serial killer.

There was more originality in the opening credits of The Office than I've ever seen in anything that came across the Atlantic.

Chazzy · Feb 8, 2009

Andy K said:
I prefer British drama to the formulaic crap that gets shipped over from the US. Shakey camera work (woo, how original) split screen (gosh, never seen that before), graphic violence (whoop de doo).

Six Feet Under was total crap, it was well named because that was where it belonged. Then you send us Lost, more crap that has no plot and is made up as it goes along. The Wire I've seen dozens of times in many different forms, nothing original there. Dexter, gosh its Monk but he's a reformed serial killer.

There was more originality in the opening credits of The Office than I've ever seen in anything that came across the Atlantic.

I agree: American broadcast television isn't worth watching. And the situation isn't very much improved by throwing in the cable channels. What bothers me most, however, is not the entertainment offerings, but the popular entertainment which passes for news reporting these days.

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