The Effects of Cleaned Fungus on Lens IQ

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I may have posted something similar on this lens in the past, but my memory isn't that good anymore. Anyway, it's interesting, to me anyway.

I bought this Leica R 90 2.8 Elmarit cheaply because it was advertised as having coating blemishes in the rear element that could not be removed. Turns out it wasn't in the coatings, it was in the glass itself. Someone had removed fungus from it, and the rear element now looks like it has salt sprinkled all over it from the fungus etching, and is very rough to the touch. It has a dull look to it when you look through it. The CLA person also lost the shim to the rear element, and it would not focus to infinity. It stopped around 50 feet. I shot a quick test roll and the shots were soft under f8 at infinity, stopped down more they looked nice and sharp. So I pulled the rear element out (surprisingly easy) and kept dropping thin washers that I bought from the hardware store into the lens, then putting it back together and checking focus. Eventually I found one that worked well, even though it was a lot fatter than the lost original shim and showed quite a bit when you looked at it from the rear or the front (see third shot).

So how does it image? It works fine. No flare, and sharp as a tack even wide open. I was shocked, as I've always been a stickler for clean glass, especially on a Leica lens. I guess the moral of this is, don't give up on a lens just because the glass is not good. Give it a test and see how it works. The first sample shot is at f4, the last shot is wide open.

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I was recently given a F2 with a Nikkor 50/2 on it.

Every single surface of the Nikkor has a good mesh of fungal threads on, and there appears to be "plaques" of fungus (or maybe separation) at the edges of the frontmost elements.
A quick run around in the woods taking pictures of trees revealed deadly sharp images once the film was processed.

The impact of fungus, haze and whatnot on "IQ"is rather overstated, in my opinion.

I expect however that if I point it anywhere near a light source or use it in bright conditions the veiling flare will bring the contrast down appreciably.
 

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This is very good to know. I can't say I have ever seen lens fungus but I do live in a dry desert. I did, however, work in New York City as photog for a spell.
 

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Yanked right of the Zeiss website: Dead Link Removed

Fungus means an Infestation of optical instruments with fungus spores which germinate and produce more spores.
Lens surfaces are irreparably damaged by metabolic products of the fungus (e.g. acids). Its damage ranges from cloudiness to opacity caused by the film. The Carl Zeiss T* coating has no significant influence on fungus growth or generation of spores.

Lots of good info there on how to prevent it.

You need a special box with hygrometers and fans...sounds like a new business to get into.
 

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I'm not surprised. It's amazing how scratched, dirty and crummy a lens can be and show no effect whatsoever, and how absolutely AWFUL it can look and still produce very good images, even if not quite as good as if the glass were perfect. There as a very illuminating article about that floating around the 'net somewhere, where they intentionally scratched then cracked a lens front element and took photos with it.
 

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Hey Roger, did you see that lens that Jim Galli showed on Large Format Photography Forum? It looked like Audie Murphy took it with him to hell and back! The front element was cracked and all scratched up. Most of us, including me, would have thrown it in the trash.

Jim took some nice photos with it. Of course he didn't shoot into the sun. :D
 

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I'd like to see the one you are talking about, Roger. It's amazing what you can get from some messed up glass. I would of never figured the fungus etched lens that Momus has would do so well.

I still like my glass pristine! :D
 

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ha! but the zeiss page says darkness encourages fungal growth. So it must be caps off!
(also, don't live anywhere with temperatures between 10C & 35C ambient ... )

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I read the Zeiss page. Thank you.

Is keeping caps on when not in use effective in preventing fungus?

The best way to prevent fungus is to keep the lenses clean, no food = no fungus. I've never actually held a lens having fungus but have seen the after effects, varying from insignificant to terrible. I think often the effort to remove the fungus leaves more damage than the fungus itself.
So clean and dry, in that order.
 
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