The definitive guide for exposure metering for large format photography

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I know the basic concepts of incident metering, reflective metering, spot metering and also Ansel Adams zone system but I am not really sure how to apply all of this in practice. I’d like to learn the ins and outs of metering and exposing an image in large format photography, including those little tricks an experienced photographer might use.
For now I am more interested in natural light photography (indoor and outdoor, portraits, landscape, architecture).

Do you have any good resources that would teach me this in all detail (a book, an online article series or Udemy training course, a YouTube channel ...).
 

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The Kodak Sensitometery workbook (online & free) explains the science behind the Zone system, so I'd understand that first, otherwise some Zone System or Exposure textbooks treat sensitometery as a "black box" not to be opened.
Beyond the science of how film works, the rest is personal preference, so I'll let others chime in with their favorite Zone system or Exposure books.

Personally I set exposure based on the needs at hand. That can be everything from guessing, to applied sensitometery, to Zone system or even PROGRAM AUTO MATRIX METER.
 

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Whatever happens, if you stick to your favorite film and practice enough the day will come when you guess exposure surprisingly well.
Workflow (exposure/development/print) is more important than exposing perfectly according to a book or densitometer.
Just my opinion.
Ps. The new zone system manual by minor white is a good read as it teaches to pre-visualize the final print..
 

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There’s nothing mysterious, magical or unique about large format photography. The light does not know what camera or size film is being used. Light metering is the same regardless of film size and camera used.

Don’t overthink it.
 
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What’s keeping the gap between the intellectual knowledge and putting that into practice? Suggest you just start. Meter using general coverage reflective, then incident. Those will likely address 98% of your situations. Just do it!
 

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I agree that there's nothing better than going out and shooting to hone your skills. If you have a basic knowledge of exposure and are familiar with your film and developing process, that's all you need to start.
Metering for large format is really no different than any other format, except that you usually have more time to analyze the scene and consider your exposure and development options. With sheet film you can tailor development based on the lighting situation and your exposure of each sheet. Make sure to take notes if you want to learn what works and what doesn't. Stick with the same films / chemicals and learn their characteristics rather than chasing the "magic bullet" as some folks seem to do these days.
As far as books, some of the classic standards helped me the most with basic knowledge when I was younger were AA's "The Negative" and David Vestal's "The Craft of Photography".
Oh, and mistakes are a big part of the process too.
 
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All metering strategies have one common goal: to expose the film enough, but not too much.

Enough = desired detail and separation in the shadows. Too much = grossly overexposing and blocking the highlights (by this I mean ending up with highlight values on the shoulder of the film where they have no separation) or, especially with smaller films, getting a denser-than-needed negative that ends up showing more grain than desired.

There's a large window of "latitude" between the two extremes. And, there are many ways to hit the sweet spot.

Key to all of them is being smarter than your meter. The simpler the meter, the smarter you have to be and the more know-how you have to use when interpreting readings.

Fancy-dancy in-camera meters these days with matrix metering, etc., etc. are fairly foolproof. If your negatives are consistently underexposed, use exposure compensation to rate your film at a different E.I. Otherwise, you only really need be aware of really contrasty situations (see below).

Averaging meters meters give you a mean-value reading of the light they see. Learning to point them at an area that has an "average" amount of luminance is key here. Pointing one up at the bright sky will end up underexposing shadows, for example. And, since the meter just gives you a middle value, scenes with bright light sources or lots of contrast (wide range of luminances) will tend to underexpose the shadows. You need to recognize these situations and compensate by underexposing. And you need to recognize situations that are predominantly dark or light (the black-cat-in-the-coalbin vs the polar-bear-in-the-snow situations) and compensate for these by under- and overexposing respectively. Practice and experience are key here.

Incident metering is similar, except you measure the light falling on the subject, not the subject itself. This works splendidly for average situations, but not for when there is a large difference between lit and shaded portions of the scene. In these cases, it is really best to take a reading from the main light source and another from the shadow. Interpreting these two readings well allows one to find the optimum exposure in scenes with extreme lighting ratios. I don't use incident metering, so I'll defer to those who know better.

Spot metering allows one to (more-or-less) read individual values in the scene. For negative materials, exposure is almost always based on an important shadow value, which ensures adequate exposure for the low values (the opposite for transparency materials). Reading the mid-tones and higher values is useful for those who adjust their development times for the contrast range of the scene or for simply knowing what one has to deal with in terms of contrast range when making a print.

One of the real advantages of spot metering, especially for black-and-white photography, is using different readings to better imagine how the tonalities of the finished print will look (what Ansel Adams calls "visualization"). Developing a sense of how things will end up allows more expressive decisions to be made at the time of exposure (e.g., adding filters, adjusting exposure and/or development, etc.).

One mistake many make with spot meters is to take readings of high and low values and then average the readings to end up with a final exposure. This totally ignores the importance of shadow values to proper exposure and results more often in underexposure than using an averaging meter intelligently. If you've got a spot meter, just base your exposure on a shadow value (or highlight value for transparency materials) by deciding where to place it to get the detail you desire and figuring out how to do that with your metering method. Again, experience is key in learning how to do this well.

If you want to explore Zone System visualization, then take a lot of other readings of the scene and see if you can imagine how they will look in a final print. If you want to adopt Zone System development controls, then the range of tones in the scene and where you want them to be will determine what development scheme you choose.

In any case, the old Kodak rule of thumb applies when refining your methods: If your negatives are consistently underexposed, rate your film slower and vice-versa. And (primarily for b&w materials) if your negatives are consistently too flat, increase development time, and vice-versa.

The devil is in the details, but letting the basic principles be your guide will get you going in no time.

Best,

Doremus
 
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My advise is to pick a system and stick with it, learn by your mistakes, figure out it's strong and weak points. As you are familiar with The Zone System it is a good starting point, much has been written and lots of good tutorials on the web. The important concept of the ZS is visualization, once you have learn to visualize a scene the how to expose and develop falls into place. I think John Schaeffer's An Ansel Adams Guide Basics Techniques of Photography is pretty clear. Although I have not make a study of it, Beyond the Zone System by Phil Davis has it's enthusiasts, I find it be more technical in some ways than the Zone System, Davis is not as clear as John Schaeffer, but the results are impressive.
 
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As previously stated don't "overthink" it. It is very easy to become so immersed in trying to understand the different systems that you become confused and frustrated! The "Beyond the Zone System" (Phil Davis) is quite good but, in my opinion, not recommended for someone just starting out. My own thought process is that the initial foray proceeds faster beginning with the reflected light approach and the use of a spot-meter is helpful because it is instrumental in understanding relationships between metered objects and negative densities. Incident light readings are indeed valuable but generally fail to allow the degree of control inherent in the zone system. The Zone System was never intended to be a "religious" approach but instead as a means of gaining an understanding of densitometry at a basic level. Phil Davis went much more in depth and espoused a much more scientific approach with much detailed testing... if you find, after gaining a rudimentary grasp of the principles of the zone system, that you enjoy the testing, by all means plumb the depths of Phil Davis's approach. You should feel that you are (1) making progress and (2) having fun!
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It is probably most important to understand that your search for a "definitive" guide may be a mistake.
You need to find a guide that resonates with you and with the way that you work and perceive things.
I like this Minor White approach, but that might be just because the book is small enough to fit in most of my camera bags: https://thephoto.exchange/2018/02/20/minor-whites-zone-system-manual-revisited/
 

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It is probably most important to understand that your search for a "definitive" guide may be a mistake.
You need to find a guide that resonates with you and with the way that you work and perceive things.
I like this Minor White approach, but that might be just because the book is small enough to fit in most of my camera bags: https://thephoto.exchange/2018/02/20/minor-whites-zone-system-manual-revisited/
+1 in fact its this little book i wanted to suggest in my first post. Somehow i mixed it up.
Good luck
 
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I took Minors White 2 week seminar while in college in the 60s, I have a couple of editions, his writing is pretty clear, where he differs from AA is he uses 9 rather than 10 zones. Phil Davis pars the zone down to 7, the zones with texture. Minor White in his books explains in much more detail how to achieve visualization, what he calls per visualization.
 

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And, since the meter just gives you a middle value, scenes with bright light sources or lots of contrast (wide range of luminances) will tend to underexpose the shadows. You need to recognize these situations and compensate by underexposing.
... and compensate by giving extra exposure.
A slip of keyboard in an otherwise thoughtful and informative mini-tutorial.

My additional 2¢: some shadows are worth metering and exposing for separation and texture; and some shadows should just be left to sink into maximum black.
Many years ago I attended a photography class. The instructor explained that, if the dark zones of the scene were of too small a size for the available meter, and/or out of reach, one could substitute a reading for a hand-held artifact, e.g. a piece of black cloth located in shadow. She was apparently unaware that one can, even without exotic materials, make a "black body" (an enclosure with a small hole) with a brightness 1/1000 or less of ambient; roughly speaking, Zone minusV.
 

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The latest edition of this book seems to be this one: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0871001004/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_3aD6FbB0F06Z7 and it is called „The New Zone System Manual“ now. Do you know this book, Is it still as good?
I actually have both versions. The second one comes with a fancy dial calculator.
As I mainly make use of the first half of the Zone System - the visualization (or as Minor White prefers, the pre-visualization) I've little need to switch.
If you were local to me, I'd be happy to lend them to you so you could decide yourself.
 
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... and compensate by giving extra exposure.
A slip of keyboard in an otherwise thoughtful and informative mini-tutorial. ...
Thanks for catching this. I seem to be doing this a lot lately; making careless mistakes because I'm movin' too fast. Gotta slow down and check things better.

Best,

Doremus
 

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Here is a video that will be helpful with bellows extension factor.


I followed your video and formula, and it looks as though I'm doing the same thing so far. However... there's one thing missing. The reciprocity factor for the type of film being used. In the case of Ilford FP4+ is 1.26. Where does this factor 'factor in'? With long exposures it can make a really big difference right? And the way I've been doing it doesn't match up - either over exposed due to formula, or over developed due to lack of development compensation with long exposures. Not sure where to go next. Still trying to figure this out. My formulas are all in a spreadsheet that i can use on my phone in the field. I'm not an app user.

Thanks for the video. Not sure I would combine more than one method in the same video for people who are trying to learn though, some of us confuse easy!
 
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