Its interesting to read others views on Flickr. *I see Flickr as a constant source of inspiration - of finding things that interest me and things that I think I might like to try. *Is it copying? *If we didn't copy we don't learn. *And if that is theft, the only true photographers out there must be blind.
Yes, I am not going to disagree with you there.Then there's blind imitation...
Learning is a process of recognition and growth. It starts with imitation, then assimilation, then hopefully innovation.
Yes, there is a lot of that going on - I am not going to disagree with that either - but there are a lot of hidden gems. I suppose you just need to know where to look. When I find something interesting, it generally is away from the mainstream groups - the submit 1, praise 2 type groups - that are not really helpful. Regardless of it being film or digital, there are many groups on flickr catering for many different things. There are also groups that are quite harsh and subjective - you can seek them out if you want.Flickr doesn't encourage self-reflection and growth, only impulse uploading and a steady stream of compliments - consistent validation. It's a world without questions. Everything you produce, in your mind, is always great in someone elses. It's like a psychological and artistic impasse. The same effect Mr. Wright and his friend's work have on some. *
When pleasing yourself is as easy as pleasing everyone else, you're Harry Cory Wright. Then there's those in the middle who just want to produce and see good work, but are constantly inundated by these annoying problems; "why is he photographing everything and everyone always likes it? Why am I constantly challenging myself? Would I be happier doing what he's doing? What's the point in doing anything?" Some people like to consistently challenge themselves and others, which usually makes for better art.
But these questions that keep arising at the moment, which are never about the work specifically, but about the point of work altogether, make for procrastination. So even if we want to make good art, the empty stuff opens up a hole that we all fall down whether we like it or not. Art itself is in the middle of an existential crisis. Nothing really clearly good or really obviously bad can be done until we move past this phase.*
Maybe - maybe notGoing full circle, that's exactly the same reason I've ignored Flickr for the last year.*
Here's a suggestion:
Every artist and photographer everywhere should work in obscurity and only take their inspiration from the classic work. Maybe then, in another 50 years, we'll be back where we were before this whole charade started.
Looking at the past and the present is something we must do. But I do not think necessary to inform our futures. Take what works for you, ignore what does not, you will. Make your own photographs from inside. Feel the force coursing through your lens into your film. Complete you, it will. Make photograph of ground, I did. Big negative I did use. Grass it is certainly not.
Looking at the past and the present is something we must do. But I do not think necessary to inform our futures. Take what works for you, ignore what does not, you will. Make your own photographs from inside. Feel the force coursing through your lens into your film. Complete you, it will. Make photograph of ground, I did. Big negative I did use. Grass it is certainly not.
As a side note, I think Flickr is largely made up of people who pick things up - concepts I mean - without knowing and there is a massive amount of creative naivety and general ignorance about the lineage and history of art photography. I've been scared away from it because it's a world unto itself and it influenced my 'visual vocabulary' in a way that made me uncomfortable, stunting my growth. Sitting down and really assessing my images one night, this was almost a grand awakening. But you do see hints at ideas and visual styles, unconsciously appropriated perhaps, from the 'real' world of contemporary photography and classical work. It does get filtered through, but very rapidly recycled into superficialities.
That being said, (& time for the APUG controversial statement of the week), it really isn't any different with the galleries on this forum. There is not a lot of constructive criticism going on - either a photo gets hardly a comment or it gets a lot of "love the tones....". But, I still enjoy the gallery - call me weird, part of the joy of photography is looking at other peoples photos.
You'll notice I have pretty strong opinions on this! But I feel I need to let any other ambitious photographer know that as soon as I stopped uploading images online and getting my visual stimulation solely from books and galleries, the quality of my work and wider awareness of the arts shot up. I can only say Flickr is an artistically inhibiting addiction in my experience. Perhaps the occasional popularity of images there, through masses of favourites and comments, has warped the reality of what the website is.
The two images in my gallery were made upon getting my Hasselblad a few years ago, when Flickr was a main source of influence - I dread to think about being locked into producing that standard of work.
Sorry, I've really digressed here.
The main crime associated with some contemporary photography (and art generally) is the language that is used to describe it. Sometimes impenetrable artspeak is the creation of the galleries, sometimes the creation of an ambitious photographer who feels that the blurb is necessary in order to make his work appeal to those who might show or buy it.
If art criticism pushes your buttons, then go for your life. But I personally find much of it (like literary criticism) to be pompous and sterile stuff, whether in academic publications or in APUG threads.
When I was younger and wiser I also quickly developed very strong opinions on the merit of others' work, and what constituted good or 'proper' photography. I found I could develop these opinions without actually seeing the work in person, presented as intended, without speaking to its creator, and without even trying very hard to imagine a context in which an image which initially did not amaze me might nevertheless work very well. I now know a lot less, and find that I see quite a lot more.
The reason that people can and will argue forever about what constitutes art, or the difference between good and bad art, is that everybody looks at art through their own eyes and feels their own personal response. (Some even have an overwhelming emotional investment in a certain set of tools that strangely warps their views on the question.) If a large high-resolution colour image of weeds generates some significant emotional response in me for some reason, or works to make me feel a particular way when presented in some particular context, why should I care what someone else thinks about the banality of its content, or the means of its creation?
So has anyone seen the prints?
Your life and photography obviously took you in a different direction, antipathetic to thinking too much, photographically.
I am cynical enough to opine that contemporary photography is often a circus where pretenders to photographic accomplishment are acclaimed by pretenders to scholarship.
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