The affordable Leica is never going to happen..

removed account4 · Jul 9, 2021

Algo después said:
That some of my preferences are tagged as "hipster" thing does not concern me much either. By the way, I also like indie music and I admit that I am attracted to certain retro issues.

yea. I know the feeling. when I was taking classes at the local comm. college a few years ago I was tagged by some of the 18-19year olds as a hipster, which was kind of funny since I was as old as ( or older than ) their parents, same students also thought I was one of the teachers.

film_man said:
Modern day hipsters vs old fart boomers. Sums up half the threads in this place.

I'd rather be a hipster than a boomer any day of the 8 day week.

faberryman · Jul 9, 2021

jnantz said:
I'd rather be a hipster than a boomer any day of the 8 day week.

Like I said in my earlier post, I don't know much about it, but are hipsters still a thing, or have they all moved on to something else? It would be good news if hipsters have moved on to something else, so we could get more vintage cameras back on the market.

I was reading something somewhere that Generation Z has declared that side parts are no longer a thing, but Millennials disagree. I didn't know what they were talking about so my daughter told me that side parts are where you part your hair on the side which now seems pretty obvious. When I talk with my daughter it's mostly Captain Obvious talking to Captain Oblivious. Anyway, Generation Z now part their hair in the middle. Seems like that's what the hippies did. I never parted my hair in the middle, but a lot of people did back in those better days.

Pioneer · Jul 9, 2021

Sirius Glass said:
He says that “a budget M rangefinder is a used one” ==> “a budget Hasselblad is a used one”

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...but not an ebay one...

removed account4 · Jul 9, 2021

faberryman said:
Like I said in my earlier post, I don't know much about it, but are hipsters still a thing, or have they all moved on to something else? It would be good news if hipsters have moved on to something else, so we could get more vintage cameras back on the market.

I was reading something somewhere that Generation Z has declared that side parts are no longer a thing, but Millennials disagree. I didn't know what they were talking about so my daughter told me that side parts are where you part your hair on the side which now seems pretty obvious. When I talk with my daughter it's mostly Captain Obvious talking to Captain Oblivious. Anyway, Generation Z now part their hair in the middle. Seems like that's what the hippies did. I never parted my hair in the middle, but a lot of people did back in those better days.

not sure if they have moved onto something else, I only know what old folks on this and other "photography boards full of people who are typically older, white and male " mean when they say hipster, its usually an insult ....
I don't have the cellular implant yet, and i'm not on the various platforms where people tend to talk about this stuff. I do know a bunch of people who are about 18 and back when the whole BLaime stoppe thing happened I made a comment and was not taken seriously, cause you know, im over 30 and a clueless dolt, and about a week later the same thing I had said was pointed out to be true ( through the various talking heads on news organs like seeNbeesee ) ... I said something about it (again) and these people had already moved on to more pressing issues. maybe its connected to center parts and side parts. I have one because I have a big sweep, hard to do a big sweep without a side part... unless I have a power lock. getting back to the OP, im guessing the guy who was eating condensed soup and Raman who made 40million short selling doesn't care if a Leica is affordable or not, and he's probably the reason why they are super expensive right now too. you know nouveau rich tend to like bling bling.

ps. aren't genz people millennial ? or is it the other way around.

BrianShaw · Jul 9, 2021

I think the term “hipster” probably needs a subscript to denote which era of hipster is being described.

Algo después · Jul 9, 2021

BrianShaw said:
I think the term “hipster” probably needs a subscript to denote which era of hipster is being described.

... Speaking of subscripts ( and price speculation), I don't know where in the Leica genealogy the Russian Zorki would be, the hipster -B`s Leica (although I'm not sure if that exists). For now, there is nothing left but to resign oneself to how the "leica effect" affects prices even to its "bastard" versions.

p.d: BTW this Eggleston`s could also be titled "Counting the bills in front of the poor."

mark · Jul 9, 2021

jnantz said:
not sure if they have moved onto something else, I only know what old folks on this and other "photography boards full of people who are typically older, white and male " mean when they say hipster, its usually an insult ....
I don't have the cellular implant yet, and i'm not on the various platforms where people tend to talk about this stuff. I do know a bunch of people who are about 18 and back when the whole BLaime stoppe thing happened I made a comment and was not taken seriously, cause you know, im over 30 and a clueless dolt, and about a week later the same thing I had said was pointed out to be true ( through the various talking heads on news organs like seeNbeesee ) ... I said something about it (again) and these people had already moved on to more pressing issues. maybe its connected to center parts and side parts. I have one because I have a big sweep, hard to do a big sweep without a side part... unless I have a power lock. getting back to the OP, im guessing the guy who was eating condensed soup and Raman who made 40million short selling doesn't care if a Leica is affordable or not, and he's probably the reason why they are super expensive right now too. you know nouveau rich tend to like bling bling.

ps. aren't genz people millennial ? or is it the other way around.

Gen Z are younger than millennials are crotchety old bastards, and Gen X is largely ignored. We like it that way.

I used a Leica once. Felt good in the hand. Way too expensive for such a small negative.

Huss · Jul 9, 2021

mark said:
I used a Leica once. Felt good in the hand. Way too expensive for such a small negative.

Lubitels should be more expensive than Leicas.

removed account4 · Jul 9, 2021

mark said:
Gen Z are younger than millennials are crotchety old bastards, and Gen X is largely ignored. We like it that way.

thanks
I'm still a bit confused but that's ok .. as long as they aren't the dreaded slackers I think we are gonna be OK..

Pieter12 · Jul 9, 2021

Just saw a dummy Leica M2 w/ a dummy Summicron 50mm f2 lens for sale at a reputable camera store for $2000! This is for a non-working display model. Unbelievable.

Don_ih · Jul 9, 2021

Pieter12 said:
Just saw a dummy Leica M2 w/ a dummy Summicron 50mm f2 lens for sale at a reputable camera store for $2000! This is for a non-working display model. Unbelievable.

Collectors love those.

Algo después said:
Eggleston`s could also be titled "Counting the bills in front of the poor."

Eggleston apparent liked taking Leicas apart. Also, in the early 70s, you could buy Leica III bodies for $35 (according to numerous people I know who did so), since everyone was dumping them for SLRs.

Huss · Jul 10, 2021

Pieter12 said:
Just saw a dummy Leica M2 w/ a dummy Summicron 50mm f2 lens for sale at a reputable camera store for $2000! This is for a non-working display model. Unbelievable.

If it has been sitting a while, I still recommend a CLA before displaying it.

Sirius Glass · Jul 10, 2021

film_man said:
Modern day hipsters vs old fart boomers. Sums up half the threads in this place.

My old farts smell better than your old farts!

film_man · Jul 10, 2021

Sirius Glass said:
My old farts smell better than your old farts!

GAS!

Dismayed · Jul 10, 2021

Pieter12 said:
And so? Does Leica need to make an "affordable" film or digital camera? They seem to be doing quite fine with their business model as far as I can tell.

You mean other than the brush with bankruptcy? Or the special filters required for the M8? Or the sensor corrosion problem? But maybe I'm wrong, and there's actually a massive pent up demand for Hermes edition cameras.

Anyway, I can hardly wait for my new Hasselblad cell phone to arrive!

Huss · Jul 10, 2021

Dismayed said:
Anyway, I can hardly wait for my new Hasselblad cell phone to arrive!

I assume you already have one of these:
https://petapixel.com/2013/08/04/a-review-of-the-hasselblad-stellar/

Arthurwg · Jul 10, 2021

momus said:
The word "hipster" has really evolved over the years. While the first references were probably from jazz musicians to other jazz musicians, it's gone through many different incarnations. I associate it now w/ a poser, or wanna be. Back in Ginsburg's days at City Lights Books, the moment of that era was as important as the words, because it was those events which created the words, through Ginsburg, and gave voice to the rage and anger and shock.

My friend Roger used to say, "If you're so hip, why aren't you rich?"

Arthurwg · Jul 28, 2021

BrianShaw said:
I think the term “hipster” probably needs a subscript to denote which era of hipster is being described.

You got that right.

PerTulip · Aug 9, 2021

film_man said:
Modern day hipsters vs old fart boomers. Sums up half the threads in this place.

What if a boomer has a mid-life crisis and starts behaving like a modern hipster? Best or worst of both worlds? :-D

Pieter12 · Aug 9, 2021

PerTulip said:
What if a boomer has a mid-life crisis and starts behaving like a modern hipster? Best or worst of both worlds? :-D

I think most boomers think they are the real hipsters, the kids are poseurs.

film_man · Aug 10, 2021

PerTulip said:
What if a boomer has a mid-life crisis and starts behaving like a modern hipster? Best or worst of both worlds? :-D

Aren't boomers well past mid-life crisis?

btaylor · Aug 10, 2021

film_man said:
Aren't boomers well past mid-life crisis?

The boomer midlife crisis happened 25-30 years ago. Hair plugs and a sports car! New spouse! Hipsters hadn’t been invented yet. I do find it funny that the hipsters like to wear my dad’s hats so much- sans suit and tie of course.

Robert Maxey · Aug 10, 2021

Pieter12 said:
Just saw a dummy Leica M2 w/ a dummy Summicron 50mm f2 lens for sale at a reputable camera store for $2000! This is for a non-working display model. Unbelievable.

The supply of display models is limited. Unless the manufacturer is making them en-mass for the collector market. I am not surprised that a specialty version is costly. Supply and demand.

Manufactured for pennies, retail price 24 cents. 100 known to exist Production error. Worth around a million and a half, plus.

Bob

Robert Maxey · Aug 10, 2021

btaylor said:
The boomer midlife crisis happened 25-30 years ago. Hair plugs and a sports car! New spouse! Hipsters hadn’t been invented yet. I do find it funny that the hipsters like to wear my dad’s hats so much- sans suit and tie of course.

I am not sure where I fit. I will not divulge my age, but "Cherry Pink (and Apple Blossom White)" by Pérez Prado & His Orchestra apparently was the number one hit.

More importantly, 35 mm and 828 Type F Kodachrome was introduced at the same time..

Bob

MattKing · Aug 10, 2021

Robert Maxey said:
"Cherry Pink (and Apple Blossom White)" by Pérez Prado & His Orchestra

I like the Harmonicats version, myself.

The affordable Leica is never going to happen..

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