From Blind Magazine:
A good list. But that there's no one from the film industry—Ilford being the obvious example—is a bit perplexing, to say the least.
Film is clearly their....blind spot (sorry about that). As is diversity.
And no, there's no one from Photrio.
But that there's no one from the film industry—Ilford being the obvious example
That's a nice way of putting it. The list as such says very little about the world of photography. It says a lot about Blind Magazine.They’ve compiled a list that demonstrates the nature of the lens through which they see the industry of photography.
It’s a list of people who work in the industry of curating and presenting photography to the public, not the making of photographs
Ilford is not a person.
Ilford is not a person.
My remark wasn't as vacuous as it may have seen. Placing the emphasis on people, the logical consequence when applying this to Ilford (actually Harman) would be that you'd have to pick a person from the organization and put them on the list. And it seems that there's just not that many people within Harman who have had any substantial media exposure and thus direct influence over the years.(I'm sure it was pretty clear that "someone from Ilford" was implied but that I didn't think necessary to state the obvious, but maybe I should next time...)
My remark wasn't as vacuous as it may have seen. Placing the emphasis on people, the logical consequence when applying this to Ilford (actually Harman) would be that you'd have to pick a person from the organization and put them on the list. And it seems that there's just not that many people within Harman who have had any substantial media exposure and thus direct influence over the years.
Arguably, the same could be said perhaps for a company like Adobe (whose CEO is indeed on the list), but that company is probably just too big to avoid altogether. Let's not forget that as photography goes, film is a tiny niche, so that would sensibly cut back specific film-related places to the list to perhaps 1% or so, max. So there would be place for maybe one person on the list who is specifically film-associated. And in that case, I would argue that someone like ADOX' Mirko Bödecker or ex-Impossible/Polaroid's Florian Kaps are much more likely candidates. Or perhaps someone associated with Kodak, for that matter. Btw, also missing from the list are representatives from Canon, Nikon, Sony - companies with their strong foothold in the camera industry would arguably be even more entitled to a spot on the list to begin with.
So yeah, film is their blind spot. With good reason if you look at it rationally. Film is fun, but when it comes to how society at large interacts with the field of photography, it's pretty insignificant.
We could compile a list of "100 most relevant people in analog and hybrid photography."
Why does it not surprise me that we (the greater “we” rather than us here on Photrio) celebrate those who profit from the creative work of others rather than those who create?
Why does it not surprise me that we (the greater “we” rather than us here on Photrio) celebrate those who profit from the creative work of others rather than those who create?
From Blind Magazine:
A good list. But that there's no one from the film industry—Ilford being the obvious example—is a bit perplexing, to say the least.
Film is clearly their....blind spot (sorry about that). As is diversity.
And no, there's no one from Photrio.
Photography is actually quite wondrous in its diversity - so much variety, so much celebration of a myriad of thoughts, experiences and perceptions.
Because of photography, we get to see the world through eyes that are very different than ours, and we are so much better for it.
If it wasn't for diversity, almost no one would care about photography. And if the influential people weren't diverse, we wouldn't care about what most of them contribute, because it would just mean more of the same.
Not always - and perhaps even 'always not'. the problem is in determining what's 'best', and that all too often boils down to some variant of "something we're kind of used to and that's not too far out of the box". Diversity helps in pushing the boundaries of that box. Diversity in itself is not a guarantee for quality, but limiting diversity is a hard guarantee of not getting optimal quality. This is true in virtually any social context.I want to see the best possible work, and when we do, diversity is emergent rather than a concious intent glued onto the work.
Diversity is irrelevant. Outcomes are what matter.
Any list is going to the built in biases of the collator, but adding diversity as a goal unto itself just makes that bias even worse, albeit obvious.
Not always - and perhaps even 'always not'. the problem is in determining what's 'best', and that all too often boils down to some variant of "something we're kind of used to and that's not too far out of the box". Diversity helps in pushing the boundaries of that box. Diversity in itself is not a guarantee for quality, but limiting diversity is a hard guarantee of not getting optimal quality. This is true in virtually any social context.
Limiting diversity and having enforced diversity are two sides of the same terrible coin.
OK, but nobody's talking about enforcing diversity. That's politics.
The choice is between limiting diversity and having diversity. Having diversity is looking out the window and seeing what's out there, instead of looking inside and just seeing people that look like you.
But since I'm one of the few — if not only — Black person here, maybe I shouldn't be commenting on this.
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