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Testing Bergger Pancro400 in 135

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insolublepancake

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Hello Apuggers,

This site is a fantastic resource! I have been shooting film for a year and a half now, and a lot of the stuff I learned I learned here :smile:. Here's my contribution to the Apug knowledge base...

I received a few rolls of Bergger's "Pancro400" in 135 last Friday, and I had some time on Saturday to shoot a roll around Paris with my M6 and a Summicron-50. You see, I'm interested in supporting any efforts to bring new emulsions to market. As per the Bergger's instructions, I developed it in HC110B for 9mins at box speed. Yes, that's a long time for a 400ISO film in super-powerful HC110B.

But ... the results are quite nice. As advertised, smooth tonal gradations and low grain. I'm mostly familiar with Tri-X and HP5+ and this new film seems to be less contrasty than Tri-X in HC110B. It is certainly less contrasty than Bellamy Hunt's Street Pan, another recent film, and is neither as fine-grained as that film. Now, compared to TMAX-400 -- I would be hard pressed to say, as I have only shot five rolls of TMY. In any case, it seems to strike a nice balance between grain and tonal detail.

Anyway, here are a few shots. All except the last photograph (which was made with a more modern lens) are taken with a Summicron-V2, which has older coatings, so that has a certain effect. Of course, I adjusted the contrast in my scans to taste, but I think you can see what's in there. I am well aware that a contact print and an enlargement would be the best thing to do and that these kinds of web-tests may have limited value!

One last thing, physically the film is really nice. Nice and thick and substantial. After developing, the base layer goes to grey, and not pink like a certain other film. I had no trouble loading at all it in my steel dev reel. I'm looking forward to shooting the other four rolls.

I wrote all this stuff up here, together with a little history of Bergger:

http://blog.insolublepancake.org/2017/02/paris-25th-of-february-2017-in-bergger-pancro400.html

I wonder if anyone else here has experience of this film? I may try a few other ELs or developers for the other reels. I didn't find much yet in the archives.

Thanks for reading!

cheers
henry

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Thanks Henri,
Till now no experience with this film. It's on number 1 in the orderlist, so hope I van use is on short term.
Very good that new emulsions are entering the market.
I'm a tri-x user and will see how booth are comparable in pyrocat.

B.t.w. welcome :smile:
 
Anyone tried these in other developers? I have went for r09 and it resembles the ones allready posted. I have been wanting to try in d76, xtol or any other fine grain developer also!
 
Anyone tried these in other developers? I have went for r09 and it resembles the ones allready posted. I have been wanting to try in d76, xtol or any other fine grain developer also!

hi,

Are you referring to my post? Well, HC110 is very similar to D76 you know. It is a fine-grained solvent developer. Rodinal (or R09), on the other hand, is an actuance-enhancing non-solvent developer, and I would expect something very different from what I posted (more grain, and sharper). At least that is what I see in Tri-X.

However, I haven't tried the other rolls of Pancro in Rodinal (that's the other developer I use most of the time). It *would* be interesting if what you say is true for Pancro400, which seems to be a very fine grained film and might work out fine with R09. The long development times in HC110 indicate that there is something different with this film. More tests are required.

cheers
henry
 
As per the Bergger's instructions, I developed it in HC110B for 9mins at box speed. Yes, that's a long time for a 400ISO film in super-powerful HC110B.

(...)

But ... the results are quite nice. As advertised, smooth tonal gradations and low grain. I'm mostly familiar with Tri-X and HP5+ and this new film seems to be less contrasty than Tri-X in HC110B. It is certainly less contrasty than Bellamy Hunt's Street Pan, another recent film, and is neither as fine-grained as that film.

If this is true then this is an excellent candidate for pushing :smile:
Let's hope they make it 120 format.

As for the development time, yes it is very long for HC110/B (at 20°C).
For comparisons, the 'massive dev chart' says it's 5 minutes for HP5 and 7.5 for Tri-X, 6 minutes for Rollei RPX 400.

For comparisons, both Delta 3200 and TMAX P3200 at 1600 are about 9 minutes in HC110/B, again according to the Chart.

Interesting...
 
If this is true then this is an excellent candidate for pushing :smile:
Let's hope they make it 120 format.

As for the development time, yes it is very long for HC110/B (at 20°C).
For comparisons, the 'massive dev chart' says it's 5 minutes for HP5 and 7.5 for Tri-X, 6 minutes for Rollei RPX 400.

For comparisons, both Delta 3200 and TMAX P3200 at 1600 are about 9 minutes in HC110/B, again according to the Chart.

Interesting...

It is actually already available in 120 !

I had the same thought about pushing, there are no times available on the massive dev, but I sure it would be easy to extrapolate...
 
Just for completeness, here is a scan of a part of a contact print of the bergger-pancro400 film I mentioned at the start of the thread which I made this evening in the darkroom at work (I'm lucky...). I tried to expose enough so the film was as dark as the sprocket holes, but that's doesn't seem to be the case on the scan. There are no adjustments on contrast for the scan. Well, it seems to be fine!

Yes I admit I take lots of photographs of trees :smile: but it was a 'test roll' :smile:.

Bergger-Pancro400-scan.jpg
 
Just for completeness, here is a scan of a part of a contact print of the bergger-pancro400 film I mentioned at the start of the thread which I made this evening in the darkroom at work (I'm lucky...). I tried to expose enough so the film was as dark as the sprocket holes, but that's doesn't seem to be the case on the scan. There are no adjustments on contrast for the scan. Well, it seems to be fine!

Yes I admit I take lots of photographs of trees :smile: but it was a 'test roll' :smile:.
I took this contact sheet into lightroom and set the black point of the clear edges of the negs to match the black of the sprocket holes and they still looked really good, not underexposed at all. Nicely done.
 
I took this contact sheet into lightroom and set the black point of the clear edges of the negs to match the black of the sprocket holes and they still looked really good, not underexposed at all. Nicely done.

Thanks !
 
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