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I was wondering about others' thoughts and dealings with how your emotions affect the images you create. Do you take better pictures when you're angry or sad or (enter feeling here) to bring that emotion out in the image? Does taking a certain image bring about a sense of closure that you're showing others how you feel towards a certain situation or how something has affected you personally? Should every photograph have its own story to portray its own feeling to stand on its own, or does a group better serve this purpose? If you see a picture, do you think about just what you see, or question what the photographer was thinking and going through while taking it, technically or otherwise? Feel free to add or comment, I'm just thinking out loud.
 

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I've long held the belief that every photograph we take is of an emotion. i.e. the emotion that the subject engendered in the photographer when the photograph was taken. This applies equally to snapshots as it does to "fine art" images. The grandmother who takes photos of her grandkids is a good example.

In my last "artists statement", (God, how I hate those!!) I said: "When we take a photograph it is not of a subject or an object - but of an emotion......The task of the artist is to present that emotion in such a way that it resonates with the viewer." Pompously stated, I know, but I really believe that a work of art is successful when it resonates with the viewer. I think that's true of all art forms.

I'm not sure whether we need to be in a certain mood when we take the picture - just try and show the viewer what we felt when we did which is why the subject attracted us in the first place.

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To totally mis-use a word, I try to Zen my image-making.

I can hardly imagine myself trying to photograph in any agitated state (anger, sad, impatient, or even overly excited), though I'm sure I have. I tend to be in more of a contemplative state. It sounds a bit corny, but if there is any emotion that I strive for, it is a love of the light and a general sense of compassion.

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When I gave classes, at the beginning of each course I used to provide each participant with a CD which contained very disparate music tracks. I would then give an assignment to bring in a single photograph of a specific track. The point was to determine how that track made you feel and then create a photograph which conveyed that. One of my favorites was a photograph of a human face made from steel wool....It represented "Mr. Siegal" by Tom Waites.!!!! I find one of the most difficult parts of photography deciding what it is about a particular subject that has drawn me in.

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This is a complex question.

I came of age during the reign of the abstract expressionists. Many of them were adamant about their work being emotionally rooted and insisted that it was expressive of emotion. I have, after many years attempting to prove this true and consistently failing to do so, had to change my mind about it, but the change of mind is, itself, in conflict. Now, I have to see it as a rather quaint romantic conceit, sort of like the common notion that writers receive their material through inspiration, rather than through hard work. I think that very often, people go out to shoot and try to force themselves to have emotions about the image they see. That is NOT emotion. It is delusion. But...

Here's an example.

There was one day when I was under a very severe "superego assault" as a result of a misunderstanding at a memorial service. I felt very foolish, misunderstood, and confused about whether something was my fault, whether in trying to help, I was instead adding to someone's already considerable grief. I was having a very hard time finding anything at all to like in myself. I went out to shoot, and literally fought with myself to maintain any sort of equilibrium. I used everything I knew to let go the brutal lashing I was giving myself, to no avail. I was a total mess, hated myself, was close to wishing myself dead. All this while out in the fields, my gear set up, myself alone out there with a war going on inside.

For some unknown reason, I've been having trouble attaching images, so here's the url where one of the images from that session can be found: http://www.pbase.com/bullis/image/90119235/original. Have a look and let me know what you think.

This image has graced more than one cover, and a similar one done within the hour, a vertical made from a location on down the dike a ways, was used as the cover on the yearly anthology for the Whidbey Island Writers' Conference a few years back. Many people love this image.

Can you see the emotional turmoil in it? While I don't think I can categorically proclaim that emotion doesn't enter into the work, I tend to think about a statement my wife quoted from Rebecca Brown, a well known writer in these parts. I have to paraphrase, because I don't have confidence the words are really hers. Someone had said "I just love to write" to which Rebecca replied "I don't love to write. Writing is my job." Photography, in one form or another, has been my job for a very long time. One big difference between a professional and an amateur, is that the professional gets the job done regardless of how s/he feels, regardless of circumstances. While I envy amateurs and aspire toward becoming a member of that truly exalted group again, I fear that it may be too late.

This doesn't mean, though, that I'm willing to deny that emotion may enter the work and influence it. I can remember times when we'd analyze images, and I can hear comments about this piece in my mind where the viewer might point out the foreboding clouds, the pilings forming a barrier, etc., the conflict between the darkness of the clouds and the brightness of the foliage (this was the 70mm aerial version of Kodak's High Speed Infrared). One could speculate that I might have made certain choices influenced by my emotional state. But, I remain rather suspicious of rationalizing the image to conform to whatever philosophical parameters one may wish to drop on it.

I'm not comfortable with this as anything to which there even can be an answer. For me, it will remain, at least for now, one of those areas where two apparent contradictory ideas may both be true.
 
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Those are some very interesting accounts and observations.

For me, the only way I can make a successful landscape photograph is if my heart and soul is in it. So I end up being attracted to large bodies of water, I feel at peace when I'm near one, like some type of gravity. When I feel whole I can let the emotions pour onto paper. If I'm not feeling it there's no point in trying even. I've learned this about myself.

But then I can be equally fascinated by doing a portrait, or studying reflections in a water puddle, or looking at how people move... Not the same gravity, not peace; it's different - it's inspiration. It's more of an instinct, I think. Sometimes it's hard to translate what I'm seeing or feeling at the moment, but I always try.

So I'm never really agitated. And with waterscapes it's always an awesome sense of the majesty of the water.

- Thomas
 

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Bowzart:
I checked out the link and I have have to say that while I do enjoy the image - there's nothing "happy" in it at all. So the question now becomes do we take images of subjects to which we respond emotionally; or do we select subjects that reflect our particular frame of mind at that time? Perhaps it is, or can be, both.

As regards the emotional investment in some of the professional work I have to agree. When I'm shooting a bathroom or kitchen for a catalogue, or in the studio doing product shot of an alarm pad, I can assure you that's not the case. Personal work, though, is something different I think.

I kind of gravitated toward my theory because I started trying to work out what it was that made me want to take certain photographs. When I'm framing an image I move the camera around bit by bit until suddenly "That's It! That's the composition". I wanted to know why that was "it" - because it's not a conscious, brain-type thing - it's a pure gut reaction.

I'm sure this thread will have legs and it's good that it will. It'll make us think hard about what we do and why we do it - and I'm sure we'll have more to say later.

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This is a complex question.

Agrrred. (Note 1). Very complex, yet the struggle with with it, although without a final resolution is worth it.

I came of age during the reign of the abstract expressionists. Many of them were adamant about their work being emotionally rooted and insisted that it was expressive of emotion. I have, after many years attempting to prove...

Proof? To me. attempting to prove anything, especially dealing with what we call "art" is a fatal mistake. In this area of activity, faith is all - and truthfully, MORE than we can hope for.

Here's an example.
But, I remain rather suspicious of rationalizing the image to conform to whatever philosophical parameters one may wish to drop on it...
... Have a look and let me know what you think

I only wish that I had not been preconditioned (however slightly) by your description.

My reaction?:

This is an "unsettling" image. To a great extent, difficult to look at. I sense a great deal of -- urgent need for the resolution of conflicts. A LOT is happening, and I am reminded of times when I could not cope with the sheer amount of sensory stimulii. There sees to be, in a way, sort of - somber and foreboding promises of future trouble. Does it have an effect on my emotional state? Yes, definitely. From the above one might think I do not "like" this imsge -- but not so. It reminds me also of the times when I had been overwhelmed - or more properly, should have been overwhelmed, and somehow managed to prevail.

Now to the "core" question: Do I analyze the composition of my work, or do I let my preconscious do the work...?

I've been trying to determine "cause and effect". Apparently the work I consider to be my "best" is produced from what Freud called "pensee'" - "voiceless thoughts". I keep telling myself that "balance" betwee analysis and preconsciousness is all-important, but ... it doesn't seem to work out that way.

In the future, I'm going to wipe ALL "previsioning" from my consciousness (will NOT be easy) and evaluate the results.

i'm not comfortable with this as anything to which there even can be an answer. For me, it will remain, at least for now, one of those areas where two apparent contradictory ideas may both be true.

I wasn't comfortable while replying, either. I felt it was important to do so.

Oh yeah ... Note 1: Freudian slip. Left it in - seemed appropriate.
 

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Proof? To me. attempting to prove anything, especially dealing with what we call "art" is a fatal mistake. In this area of activity, faith is all - and truthfully, MORE than we can hope for.

Perhaps I should clarify here. There was no conscious effort to prove, at all, but there was a certain assumption that was fundamental to the work. I suspect from what I read here that others share that assumption, perhaps tested, perhaps not. I did a great deal of work during a certain youthful period upon that assumption, and ultimately, I had to recognize that the test, and test it was, must be acknowledged as inconclusive.

As far as faith is concerned, I have no confidence in it. Faith without experience, what is it? My theologian friends will doubtless accuse me of gnosticism. To me, faith was that underlying assumption which the test did not validate. Let's verify.

I only wish that I had not been preconditioned (however slightly) by your description.

Well, I'm sorry about that. I suppose I'd have been able to present it in a different way, perhaps by posting the link and asking for responses, and only after receiving them, to tell the story.

We used to look at prints and discuss them that way. Unfortunately, although I might be able to find other images that I could adopt for this purpose, this one was certainly the most dramatic example I can pull out of memory just now. I have not developed the confidence that when I present things like this, fully committed to reveal some of the inner workings at the core of my life, that anyone will actually look. That has not been at all reliable, so far.

I believe that I've linked to this image before, with no result at all. So, presenting without any preparation has not proven to be particularly productive. I think that this sort of thing needs to be done, ideally, under fairly controlled conditions, with rules. In practice, I have found that when these things are attempted, a sort of fatigue sets in and the group just fizzles out.

My reaction?:

This is an "unsettling" image. To a great extent, difficult to look at. I sense a great deal of -- urgent need for the resolution of conflicts.

Maybe this is why, after hearing all manner of appreciation for it - when it was shown in the Skagit Farmer's benefit show at a really great price, well, I still have it. Many folks asked why, but then none of them ponied up.

Yes, when we really discuss images, it is not likely to be very comfortable. I can easily understand why there is so little deviation from the usual "how to" and equipment related topics. Memorable images are not comfortable. They can't be, because when we encounter them, we emerge as different persons than we were before we saw them.

Thanks for your comments, Ed. Much appreciated.
 

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I believe that the mood of the artist has a decisive influence on his creativity, but not on what he creates. And by creativity, I understand the special stare of mind in which the artist is more sensitive to his/her inner and/or outer world. I don’t understand creativity as a synonym for productivity, which means it shouldn’t be directly correlated with any outputs. Artistic creation might occur or not, but with each such experience the artist gets closer and closer to a valuable outcome. The mood is a trigger for creativity, but should not express itself in the final work. If it does so, it might ruin it – this is the reason I don’t value abstract expressionism at all, while being in love with earlier expressionism.

As for what puts the artist in the creative state of mind (not the feelings themselves), he/she should show them in his work, because all these things will trigger reach feelings in his public too (statement made by film director Andrei Tarkovsky in his unique book).
 

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bowzart...

Even without reading your story first, I think I would have gotten some sense of an emotional content in your image. That is one heck of a rough barrier between the viewer and the rest of the landscape...one even has to cross the unknown (the black moat) before getting to the wood barrier. But it is a wonderful image. I believe that emotions do color our work, but they are just part of the whole, and not just of themselves.

I consider my photography as my lifework...but I also happen to love my job...

Vaughn
 

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bowzart...

Even without reading your story first, I think I would have gotten some sense of an emotional content in your image. That is one heck of a rough barrier between the viewer and the rest of the landscape...one even has to cross the unknown (the black moat) before getting to the wood barrier. But it is a wonderful image. I believe that emotions do color our work, but they are just part of the whole, and not just of themselves.

Thanks, Vaughn. I'm really getting a better sense of this image and the power it has always held for me, in reading these comments.

Minor White once produced a sequence he called "Everything Gets In The Way".

I consider my photography as my lifework...but I also happen to love my job...

Vaughn

Me too, although I think of my lifework as having become somewhat more inclusive than just photography, which is still a very big part of it.

My job is, as is yours, very much involved with interactions with other people around photography.

Thinking a lot about retirement now, I'm realizing that I won't miss the administrative stuff, but I will certainly miss the students. I'll miss them so much that I'll probably volunteer to supervise the lab.

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I have another short little story. In a critique, once, a student presented an image of a small girl on a swing. The class talked about it, some seeing it as happy, but no one as possibly a bit dark.

I made some comment to the effect that life is not always sunny, that just because a child is on a tree swing, doesn't necessarily mean she's happy. The woman whose image it was started to cry.

The child, she said, was horribly abused by her parents.
 

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Yes, one's lifework changes and evolves. Mine has grown to include my three boys (you only got to meet one of them).
I just put a K1000 into the hands of one of our students -- neat stuff.

Vaughn
 

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Yes, one's lifework changes and evolves. Mine has grown to include my three boys (you only got to meet one of them).
I just put a K1000 into the hands of one of our students -- neat stuff.

Vaughn

Mine's got 7 grand daughters! You got all the boys!

I wish I had a gross of K1000's to give away!
 

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The mood is a trigger for creativity, but should not express itself in the final work. If it does so, it might ruin it –

Whooo!! I'm going to have to chew on ths one for a while...

I am trying to envision ANY circumstance where the "expression of a mood" would have a bad effect on the work ... and I'm coming up empty. "Might" ... as a qualifier..? I suppose anything is possible; but I would extrapolate (read: wild guess) that the opposite would be true; the LACK of an expression of "mood" is common to most of my (n.b. MY) "unsuccessful" work.

... this is the reason I don’t value abstract expressionism at all, while being in love with earlier expressionism.

I think there must be some fairly involved esoteric concepts here...
Could you give me examples of "Early Expressionism" and "Abstract Expressionism"?

As for what puts the artist in the creative state of mind (not the feelings themselves), he/she should show them in his work, because all these things will trigger reach feelings in his public too (statement made by film director Andrei Tarkovsky in his unique book).

I am at a loss to try to do that with exclusion of "mood", a.k.a. emotional state. Something like a forced assignment form an art Class instructor???

What other than "feelings themselves" put the artist into a "creative state"?
 

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Perhaps I should clarify here. There was no conscious effort to prove, at all, but there was a certain assumption that was fundamental to the work. I suspect from what I read here that others share that assumption, perhaps tested, perhaps not. I did a great deal of work during a certain youthful period upon that assumption, and ultimately, I had to recognize that the test, and test it was, must be acknowledged as inconclusive.

Yes. Me too.

As far as faith is concerned, I have no confidence in it. Faith without experience, what is it? My theologian friends will doubtless accuse me of gnosticism. To me, faith was that underlying assumption which the test did not validate.

An appropriate definition. Uh .... we are left with the question - Was the assumption wrong or was the "test" ineffective/ defective/ free enough from bias (... more) to be worth anything?

Let's verify.

Oooo!!! Sounds really GOOD to me!! I dislike indecisive insecurity!

I want to get started - immediately! How do we do this "verification"?
 

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A Picture's Worth A Thousand Words

I think we hit up against the inadequacies of language all the time. you cannot describe "love" succinctly in words; nor "depression", "joy" - all emotional concepts which we, each of us, understand in our own context. "Mood" too is a concept which words fail- because such things as "a good mood" really connote other emotions which do not work well with words.

Our prevailing "mood" may well lead us to subjects that seemingly reflect those emotions - and as such are an integral part of the art itself. Art conveys the emotional attachment of the artist to his or her subject, or the emotional response the artist has to that subject. "Mood", to my mind will always enter into artistic endeavors because art is all about emotion.

I don't really think there is such a thing as art devoid of emotion. We've all seen technically fantastic photographs which leave us cold. I would suggest that is not art - but technique. Similarly, we have all seen visually interesting images which are poorly executed - that, to me, is art without technique. It is a statement that could have been made stronger - like a poor speech.

This doesn't mean that every viewer will "get" every work of art. But I think that a visceral or emotional response on the part of a viewer is possibly what defines something as a work of art.

I know this is somewhat contorted, but this is the inadequacy of language. And perhaps the inadequacy of language is the reason for our need of art.

Bob H
 
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I guess there always has to be a contrarian and I'm it in this case. I never photograph in a way that is driven by emotion or impulse. If I find an emotion or impulse coming on I put the camera away until it passes. Film is too expensive, fine photographs are too hard to make, to burn sensitive materials while in the throes of irrational forces.

Another aspect is the moral responsibility to the viewer of my photographs. Asking people to take some time out of their lives (which they don't get over) to look at my bad photographs is no way to reward their attention. And my bad photographs don't become good photographs because I was in the grip of some emotion at the time of exposure.

Instead of my emotions I target the emotions of my audience. To borrow some cliches, if I want to traffic in "creepy drama" I'll photograph Gothic castles at night during thunder storms. If I want "cool tranquility" I'll photograph glacial streams flowing through forests of mint; and so on.

My photographs have to say what I want them to say. Being clear-headed and unemotional is a good first step in the chain of creativity.
 

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If the photographer express his/her feelings in the work, this will result in sentimentalism, which is cheap, or in something difficult for the public to resonate with (the case of abstract expressionism). But if he/she shows the things, people or situations that moved him/her, than these things, people and situations will move the public too, in the same way or differently, doesn’t matter too much. Many artists are surprised about what the public sees in their work, but this multiple interpretation, this openness of the work, cannot be achieved if the photographer indicates precisely to his public what they should feel about. To be short on this matter: an artist should show what moves him/her, not directly what he/she feels about.

I’m not defending a photography devoid of any feelings, just of the photographer’s ones. Also, I don’t say the photographer should only shot what doesn’t move him/her, on the contrary, he/she should always show what does it, just in a non sentimental way - to leave some freedom of interpretation for the public.
 
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I have to agree that a photograph which is contrived to the degree of sentimentalism is worthless; and as bad as images which are deliberately contrived for pure shock value.

There is a fine line between conveying one's personal response to a scene and a sentimental portrayal. I think my point is that every photo we take is done because something about the scene or the subject resonates with us - that's the "emotion" I'm talking about. Weston's peppers are a good example. Something about them "got" to him and after some work he managed to show what he saw in an ordinary pepper off the shelf. Having had the success with one or two, however, he pushed his luck by making peppers his "subjet du jour" Only one, perhaps two, of the peppers were successful to my mind. The rest had nowhere near the impact - because they were contrived. He should have just moved on once he'd done it. I recall a visit many years ago to Yellowstone and watching all these photographers jostling each other to try and place their tripods where they though Ansel Adams had placed his. It was hilarious - and far from the art of photography!

For me, it's about really deciding exactly what it is you saw in a scene that you want to show others. It's very different to a typical postcard.

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I can certainly understand EW's continuing on with the peppers. I've taken on projects which acquire a life of their own. In some of these, I couldn't stop if I wanted to.

What I'm hearing you say (whether that's what you are saying or not) is that the emotive quality will take care of itself in the process; that if one attempts to insert those qualities, it is contrived; that in (my understanding) honest work, one probably can't even avoid its presence. In my work, it's best when it flows; the work comes naturally out of - and expresses - my experience, what I am, at the time. If I think about it, the process stumbles.

Whether the viewer responds to it is another question, however, and there is no way to predict that. We all know people who are emotionally flat, and others who may seem excessively emotional.

Ed's wit points out the fact about emotion that we so rarely remember, the control freaks we humans tend to be. We can't control emotion; it is a difficult, probably even impossible subject for the rational mind. Emotions happen as natural responses to whatever we might encounter. Emotions can inform us and are very useful in navigating in a world where not everything makes perfect sense to the part of us that needs that. Doesn't it seem a sort of additional sense, such as smell or touch? If we act FROM emotion, make decisions based upon emotion, it can be disastrous. At least, I've had some experience that suggests that is most likely true. You know, we might bomb somebody and regret it later.

In viewing a photograph, I think we'd be in error to say that the photograph itself contains emotion. The emotion is in the viewer. Perhaps the photograph can reflect the emotion that inhabits the photographer when the image is made. From my participation in response groups, I have a fair degree of certainty that there is a wide spread among viewers in their emotional response an image. There is nothing clear about this at all. I think the murkiness stems from the difficulty we have in talking about emotion. As I recall, this ability to discuss emotion in any but a highly abstract and distant way is something that can be learned but must be practiced. Since my involvement with this stuff was a long time ago, I'd need to catch up. It might be interesting to repeat it now with plenty of life experience in the interim.

There are some fascinating questions that this brings up for me. What part of our response is essential to the universal human experience (if there is such a thing)? I wonder what would happen if you were to show a photograph of a grizzley traffic accident to a child raised by wolves? Would it even be distinguished as an image, or would it be what it just is - a piece of material with marks on it?

This is a great topic; so much to think about.
 

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I don't think the photograph itself contains the emotion, but rather, if well executed it conveys emotion to the viewer - or at least to a receptive viewer.

You're right about our need to control emotion. Instinct, which is essentially what emotion is, is definitely an abstract. You can't touch it, you can't see it and language is just insufficient to properly describe it. I wonder whether it's because emotion emanates from the opposite side of the brain to speech - that whole "right side of the brain" thing.

It occurs to me that perhaps successful art arises when we don't try to control emotion, but just let it run; and a "contrived" image results from a conscious effort to control the emotional flow. Perhaps this is also why good photography is so difficult. The technique we use, f-stops, shutter speeds, h&d curves etc, is essentially left brain stuff, while the abstract, spatial thinking is out of the right brain. Good photography requires us to use our right brain facilities and our left brain faculties - without permitting the left brain to over-ride the right, which it is prone to do.

This is, indeed, a great thread, which is forcing me to think hard about things it's easier not to!

Bob H
 

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There was another thread about left eye shooters, and the subject of L/R brain raised there too. I wrote in that thread that, as an L-eye shooter, I have some problems with the composition. I noticed some time ago that my L eye focuses on the object(s), cropping it(them) from the context. It also sees the right moment to shot. On the contrary, my R eye focuses on the relations between objects allowing me to compose, once I decided what to shot thanks to the L eye. If I have to shot fast, I have no time to change the camera (35mm SLR) from an eye to the other, so I have to fix the composition in the darkroom. For the same reasons, with the TLRs is far simple to shoot (for me), and the same with RFs for R-eye shooters, and with LF (as mentioned by others).

Why do I write all these here again? Because it is possible that the L/R eye issue also influence our feelings when shooting: the L eye being able to make us more sensitive and also identify in a scene the key element triggering our feelings, while the R eye could allow us to take a distance from our feelings, and concentrate on building the final image more systemically (ex: including all necessary elements, and excluding all the waste, ...ideally). I haven’t tested this hypothesis, but I will, someday soon. Of course, this matters mostly for 35mm SLR shooters.
 

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I also wanted to ad a comment about feelings. There are 4 levels of feelings: :confused:
  1. moods (ex: bored, sad, happy, etc.)
  2. emotions (desire, anger, panic, joy, etc.)
  3. sentiments (love, hate, etc.)
  4. commitment (almost deprived of what we call usually feelings, it makes the link to the consciousness and its values, which is above the feelings level)
Many people (psy. too!) make no difference between emotions and sentiments :munch: even if it is obvious: emotions are short term feelings and are also felt in the stomach or the thorax, etc., while sentiments are long term feelings and have no somatic reflection. This was a parenthesis.

What I want to say with all these is that:
  • First, if something in a scene touches us, it will create most of the time emotions, sentiments or commitment (rarely mood). The higher the feeling level, the better for our creativity (earlier in this thread I named it mood, but in reality is commitment).
  • Secondly, the lower the feeling level the artistic work triggers in the viewer, the better this work is.
Otherwise said, the artist should feel commitment for the work he creates, but this commitment has not to pass through the work itself, up to the viewer. The artist has to set a distance between himself, as a person, and his work. Finally, the work, if it’s good, has to put the viewer in the most basic state of feelings: the mood. This is ideally. It also happens with all great works. This is why I said that the photographer’s feelings have not to pass into his work.

Finally, if the 4 levels of feelings are classic, it took me some years to discover that: the best art starts from the highest feelings in the artist’s mind and soul, but "hits" the viewer just under the belt. :D
 
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phenix:

You have presented us with something that is a theory or a "theory". If you expect us to honor what you are saying, it is incumbent on you to provide us with a reference to the source. Now, it could be someone else's or it might be your own. Either way, it is ok. You really need to be clear about its origin. Otherwise, why shouldn't we say "oh yeah, another nut case"?

I find the idea interesting. It would help me to know how to attribute it. If you have experience to validate it, could you elaborate a bit? It's important.

Thanks.
 
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