Svema film names, FPP vs. the massive dev chart

TheGreatGasMaskMan · Sep 30, 2019

So the film photography recans svema film from east europe to sell here- the problem is they came up with their own names for some of them, and I think I may have found some dev times on the massive dev chart- listed below:

I have one svema super positive. iso .8. the chart lists a svema micrat-orto film at iso .75
there's also svema mz 3, iso 3, and the chart lists a svema zt-8 at iso 3.
And, there's a svema blue sensitive, iso 6, which there is no equivalent on the chart.

Anyone able to confirm that these are the same films?

please note I did write an email to them asking to clarify the super positive develop time they gave (6 min d76 from them, 6.75 d76 1:1 on the massive dev chart) but haven't heard back. I have no plans to try the mz3 (which they gave an hc110 time for) or the blue sensitive film right now.

AgX · Sep 30, 2019

Without diving into my archive, a "positive" film is likely a print film and thus blue-sensitive.

TheGreatGasMaskMan · Sep 30, 2019

AgX said:
Without diving into my archive, a "positive" film is likely a print film and thus blue-sensitive.

That's the one film I can almost be confident about- .75 pretty much rounds up to .8.
while there is no mention of the super positive being othochromatic, I'm assuming micrat translates to micro.

AgX · Sep 30, 2019

Mikrat is the soviet term for microfilm.
Blue-sensitive is NOT orthochromatic.
A printfilm is not a mikrofilm.

TheGreatGasMaskMan · Sep 30, 2019

AgX said:
Mikrat is the soviet term for microfilm.
Blue-sensitive is NOT orthochromatic.
A printfilm is not a mikrofilm.

All I know is super positive gives you positive images when developed in normal black and white chemistry.
https://filmphotographystore.com/pr...itive-film-1-roll?_pos=1&_sid=e4bed3300&_ss=r
the blue sensitive film is a different film
https://filmphotographystore.com/pr...-sensitive-1-roll?_pos=4&_sid=e4bed3300&_ss=r

AgX · Oct 1, 2019

Another issue to consider is that the brand Svema is not protected, actually never was.
I know at least of four independant firms using it for branding films they sell.

AgX · Oct 1, 2019

Another issue to consider is that the brand Svema is not protected, actually never was.
I know at least of four independant firms using it for branding films they sell.

removedacct1 · Oct 1, 2019

"here's also svema mz 3, iso 3, and the chart lists a svema zt-8 at iso 3."

There is a listing on the Massive Dev Chart for Svema MZ-3, and the recommendations are for HC-110, Ilfotec, and Caffenol. I have used Xtol 1:1 for 8 minutes and the negatives were very good - contrasty but good. This is a very contrasty film by default, so expose and develop with the idea of working to tame its high contrast. I like MZ3 quite a bit, but its an odd duck to work with. Its orthochromatic, and its EXTREMELY prone to light piping, so don't leave rolls of it laying about where they are exposed to light, or the first 12 frames will have bars of fogging on them. Otherwise it is a very sharp, nearly grainless film, and it has its uses. See an example photo here: https://live.staticflickr.com/7856/33165154778_259d6ce8c6_h.jpg and another example here: https://live.staticflickr.com/1877/43533275144_62f9fba2dd_k.jpg

Svema MZ-3 Caffenol stock ISO 3 30 Min 20C
Svema MZ-3 HC-110 H ISO 3 9.25 Min 20C
Svema MZ-3 Ilfotec HC 1+17 ISO 3 6 Min 20C

AgX · Oct 1, 2019

Paul, what sense do these figure make when one got no idea to what film they were related to and what film one got in hand now?

removedacct1 · Oct 1, 2019

AgX said:
Paul, what sense do these figure make when one got no idea to what film they were related to and what film one got in hand now?

What???

AgX · Oct 1, 2019

Read post #7.

You got no idea on what film that processing was done, nore what film would be in the next Svema branded container.

removedacct1 · Oct 1, 2019

AgX said:
Read post #7.

You got no idea on what film that processing was done, nore what film would be in the next Svema branded container.

The person asking about these "Svema" films essentially asked for practical information about using them. I don't think its particularly important to ponder WHAT the Svema MZ3 repackaged film from FPP is, as much as HOW to handle it and how it behaves. I was at least able to offer him some information about the specific emulsion that FPP is marketing, its characteristics, and how I successfully processed it. Fussing about anything else is pointless, as are so many arguments on this forum. But yes, I did read what you said, and that's good to know. I simply don't think its very important in the grand scheme of things.

AgX · Oct 1, 2019

The OP's questions was:
"Anyone able to confirm that these are the same films?"

I only can repeat, that with a firm as FPP nobody knows for sure that the same film is packed. It could be 20yo film from Svema, 10y.o. old from Tasma or brand new from Agfa....

TheGreatGasMaskMan · Oct 21, 2019

OK, just tried the micrat orto time given by the dev chart (15 seconds had to be shaved due to a temperature difference), but it worked.

not every single frame turned out, but that was probably an exposure thing.

now... all I have to try is an mz3

CMoore · Oct 23, 2019

AgX said:
The OP's questions was:
"Anyone able to confirm that these are the same films?"

I only can repeat, that with a firm as FPP nobody knows for sure that the same film is packed. It could be 20yo film from Svema, 10y.o. old from Tasma or brand new from Agfa....

I just noticed i have 3 or 4 rolls of that brand, that i bought from FPP a few years ago.
Now i am not sure i have much desire to Shoot/Deal/Wonder about it.

AgX · Oct 24, 2019

Think back at your children days and approach it as grab bag instead, a positive approach then.

Raghu Kuvempunagar · Oct 24, 2019

Recently I purchased 25m of Micrat Orto film from Astrum directly. It was supposed to be a direct duplicating film but due to some miscommunication I was sent a negative film also called Micrat Orto. The film has a pink base colour and is rated ISO 3. Is this Micrat MZ3?

The film I received is quite nice - good contrast, continuous tones, low base fog and nearly no base tint after fixing.

Raghu Kuvempunagar · Oct 24, 2019

paulbarden said:
" See an example photo here: https://live.staticflickr.com/7856/33165154778_259d6ce8c6_h.jpg and another example here: https://live.staticflickr.com/1877/43533275144_62f9fba2dd_k.jpg

These are very nice results!

TheGreatGasMaskMan · Oct 24, 2019

Here's something weird-
the massive dev chart lists mz3 specifically and has blue sensitive times for hc110.
Yet there's no mircrat orto time listed...

Jeremy Mudd · Jan 8, 2020

FYI - I recently (in the last few months) purchased several rolls of MZ-3 from FPP, and shot and developed a roll yesterday.

I rated it at ASA 3 when I shot it, and used Ilfosol 3 (1:9 mix) to develop it @ 20C for 6:00 minutes. This seemed to have good results. Here's one of the scans. It's also interesting to note that the film said "KODAK" on it in a few spots in the rebate area. It doesn't show up in every frame, it appears about every 5-6 inches or so.

Svema film names, FPP vs. the massive dev chart

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