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So I went out with my camera yesterday and got some shots I was really happy with. I shot two rolls of Neopan Acros (shot at ISO100). One roll only had about 1 or two 2 shots left on it so in reality I shot at most 12 images.

Today I remembered that while I had a yellow filter on my camera (a rangefinder) I forgot to add in 1 stop of exposure compensation to account for the loss of light. DAMN!!!!

One roll was exposed mostly correctly, except for the final two images, the second roll is 100% 1 stop under exposed.

I didnt keep the rolls segregated so I have no idea which roll is which.

Do I develop as normal?

Final use is for scanning.

Such a stupid mistake.
 

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Develop normally. There's not much to gain with increased development. If your exposure was correct, excluding filter compensation, you'd get fairly printable negatives. If you're scanning, then things are even easier.
 

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When using a light yellow filter I seldom compensate. Even with a medium yellow filter negatives should be ok. Other filters definitely need compensation.
 
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Thank you very much! I felt so stupid this morning when I just remembered that I forgot to boost ev to take into account the filter. I hope this works as I'm very excited to see some of the shots I took. I may even develop this evening rather than wait until the weekend.
 

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Stupider things have been done. Go a bit easier on yourself!
 

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Thank you very much! I felt so stupid this morning when I just remembered that I forgot to boost ev to take into account the filter. I hope this works as I'm very excited to see some of the shots I took. I may even develop this evening rather than wait until the weekend.

No reason to feel stupid. We all make mistakes, even after years of experience. I once lugged my 8x10 outfit across a fairly wide, and somewhat deep, creek to get to the other side and hike up a bit to position the camera for a waterfall shot. The exact spot was along a fairly steep angle of rock outcrop that was, of course, slippery! Following several trips back-n-forth to setup the tripod, mount the camera, etc, I metered the scene, set the exposure on the lens, put the film holder in, etc, etc. Exposed a couple of other scenes that day and after I developed the film, my waterfall shot was blank film! It was only then that I realized I hadn't tripped the shutter!! Normally, I rely on hearing the shutter to know that I've exposed the film, but the waterfall sound was so loud I couldn't have heard it. Lesson learned...
 

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If that's the stupidest thing you've done all month then I'd have to say you're doing pretty well :smile:.

I would develop as normal. There are variables in the development process that we overlook that will cause a larger difference than a filter factor. I've noticed over the years there are so many variables in developing film that it's more a game of estimation and consistency than anything. Develop as normal, friend!
 

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Develop normally. BW film is very forgiving. 1 stop either way won't ruin your shot. Some photographers under rate their film for better shadow detail. Some like Ralph Gibson over rate their film to suppress detail in the shadows.
 

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Stupid is working your way to the mosh pit of a concert, firing off the last three frames in your Nikon F3, taking out the film while being jostled, then closing the back and carrying on getting the once in a lifetime shots of your favorite band without having put a new film in. I speak from recent experience.
 

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Tom, if that is the worst your are doing at photography, you are miles ahead of me :smile: I may have earned a dunce cap.
 

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Stupid is working your way to the mosh pit of a concert, firing off the last three frames in your Nikon F3, taking out the film while being jostled, then closing the back and carrying on getting the once in a lifetime shots of your favorite band without having put a new film in. I speak from recent experience.

Reminds me of the days of hardcore shows jostling to get a good view while avoiding the flinging limbs haha.
 

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Develop normally it is still in the dynamic light range of the film.
 

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How many of us at APUG have taken a whole series of great pictures with no film in camera? Normal behavior because we are human...even the gods make mistakes.
 

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I believe that would be Zero.
 

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How many of us at APUG have taken a whole series of great pictures with no film in camera? Normal behavior because we are human...even the gods make mistakes.

Or when you cross streams and pull out that one rangefinder you own...and forget to take off the lens cap. However, being slightly more advanced at this than my mom who would throw out the roll, I just rewind and hope for the best.
 

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As I see it, t'ain't no such thing as a 'stupid' mistake. We all make mistakes, and if one admits to them and learns from them, the stupid factor disappears and it turns into a learning experience.

A few pointers I have learned by default (or fault) over many years...

If you habitually leave paper boxes open in the darkroom (as I do, don't we all?), print yourself a large sign saying something like PAPER BOX or IS PAPER BOX OPEN? or SHUT PAPER BOX, laminate it,and put it up on the wall. Twenty years ago I gave in to temptation and paid A$100 for a the customised enlarging paper safe, a strange European box-like thing that never worked right for me, I was forever frustrated at having to yank it open and shove it shut for only one sheet of printing paper. Eventually I gave it away to a friend who also hated it. I believe it ended up in recycling.

Putting a wine glass (ideally full) on top of the enlarging paper box, also works for me. Your mileage here will differ, you may prefer beer or moonshine. Horses' courses here.

Another of my recurring problems is I forget to check the settings on my Nikkormats or exposure meters before a new session. Cloudy day scenes are then shot at EI 100 and tropical beach shots at EI 400, the stuff of major disasters. Now I reset cameras and meters at the end of the shoot. Haven't burnt out a beach shot since.

Occasionally stuff-ups work for you. In the '70s I went to Bali for my first-ever holiday there, out of Sydney, Australia, where I had just relocated to live. At the last minute and racing out the door for the taxi to the airport, I opened the fridge door and took a metal can with (so I thought) my rolls of 120 Kodacolor and Fujicolor negative films. Once in Bali, I took out the can to load up the Rolleiflex, and realised I had taken the container with Kodak Tri-X 120 rolls in it. Roll film being all but unobtainable at that time (I recall finding a roll of well-cooked Agfacolor on a dusty shelf of a small toko in a place called Klungkung in Bali, yes, I bought it), I had to use the TXB&W P, well filtered with orange, green and even red from my set of Rollei filters. Nowadays I use plastic food containers for my roll films, so I see what lies within without having to open it. Amazingly, all those early Bali images sold well as stock for years, and now and then one still sells as visual nostalgia. Nobody else can give away a Bali photo now, but this isn't the point of my story, is it?

As for film developing disasters, I learned long ago that the old Leica two-bath developer (or Thornton's two bath, idealy Ansel Adams mix) is best for me to salvage a reasonably (two stops or less) overexposed (best) or underexposed (more risky). Such negatives are often infuriating to enlarge with long exposure times, fiddly developing with strange chemicals added to the Dektol, and increased red wine consumption (see my earlier point), but with a certain non-analog process I know I could be slowly strangled, tied to a pole, staked in the lower guts and incinerated to a crisp by the APUG Thought Control Gestapo here if I name, so I won't, good results can quite easily be achieved.

In photography or darkroom work as if all of life, one should try to attain that exalted state of not making the same mistake more than twice, once in error, then one more time to fine-tune the learning from it process. Mistakes are not fun, but for me a lesson learned the hard way is (usually) a lesson well learned.
 
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As I see it, t'ain't no such thing as a 'stupid' mistake. We all make mistakes, and if one admits to them and learns from them, the stupid factor disappears and it turns into a learning experience.

A few pointers I have learned by default (or fault) over many years...

If you habitually leave paper boxes open in the darkroom (as I do, don't we all?), print yourself a large sign saying something like PAPER BOX or IS PAPER BOX OPEN? or SHUT PAPER BOX, laminate it,and put it up on the wall. Twenty years ago I gave in to temptation and paid A$100 for a the customised enlarging paper safe, a strange European box-like thing that never worked right for me, I was forever frustrated at having to yank it open and shove it shut for only one sheet of printing paper. Eventually I gave it away to a friend who also hated it. I believe it ended up in recycling.

Putting a wine glass (ideally full) on top of the enlarging paper box, also works for me. Your mileage here will differ, you may prefer beer or moonshine. Horses' courses here.

Another of my recurring problems is I forget to check the settings on my Nikkormats or exposure meters before a new session. Cloudy day scenes are then shot at EI 100 and tropical beach shots at EI 400, the stuff of major disasters. Now I reset cameras and meters at the end of the shoot. Haven't burnt out a beach shot since.

Occasionally stuff-ups work for you. In the '70s I went to Bali for my first-ever holiday there, out of Sydney, Australia, where I had just relocated to live. At the last minute and racing out the door for the taxi to the airport, I opened the fridge door and took a metal can with (so I thought) my rolls of 120 Kodacolor and Fujicolor negative films. Once in Bali, I took out the can to load up the Rolleiflex, and realised I had taken the container with Kodak Tri-X 120 rolls in it. Roll film being all but unobtainable at that time (I recall finding a roll of well-cooked Agfacolor on a dusty shelf of a small toko in a place called Klungkung in Bali, yes, I bought it), I had to use the TXB&W P, well filtered with orange, green and even red from my set of Rollei filters. Nowadays I use plastic food containers for my roll films, so I see what lies within without having to open it. Amazingly, all those early Bali images sold well as stock for years, and now and then one still sells as visual nostalgia. Nobody else can give away a Bali photo now, but this isn't the point of my story, is it?

As for film developing disasters, I learned long ago that the old Leica two-bath developer (or Thornton's two bath, idealy Ansel Adams mix) is best for me to salvage a reasonably (two stops or less) overexposed (best) or underexposed (more risky). Such negatives are often infuriating to enlarge with long exposure times, fiddly developing with strange chemicals added to the Dektol, and increased red wine consumption (see my earlier point), but with a certain non-analog process I know I could be slowly strangled, tied to a pole, staked in the lower guts and incinerated to a crisp by the APUG Thought Control Gestapo here if I name, so I won't, good results can quite easily be achieved.

In photography or darkroom work as if all of life, one should try to attain that exalted state of not making the same mistake more than twice, once in error, then one more time to fine-tune the learning from it process. Mistakes are not fun, but for me a lesson learned the hard way is (usually) a lesson well learned.

No-one expects the Spanish Inquisition!

Just about anything can be saved with Digital Duping. I've stand developed C-41 in 1+1 D-76 for an hour then dumped some diluted Clorox in there for 30 seconds and fixed with some gnarly Ilford rapid that had a birthday.

Scans worked pretty well.
 
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Update: I developed those films as normal in Kodak HC-110 and they look just fine. I am sure that scanning them will be no problem at all.

Now I have to wait for them to dry!

Thanks for the help everyone!
 
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Here we go....one example.

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Beautiful!!
 
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