AndyH
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Whether you like that book or not, or even like street photography, the point is one needs to be able to edit one's work. Back in art school, we would call it overcoming mother hen syndrome. Not all your creationsI’m weird. Or too demanding. That book, to me, is not interesting at all.
First, I have to admit I don't like most of Winogrand's output.Actually, I think the appeal is that it's "easy" to do. Composition, precise focus, and precise exposure don't "matter" as much as they do in other forms. Even holding the camera level isn't required - think Dutch Angle and Garry Winogrand.
However easy it is to do BAD street photography, the learning curve to GOOD street photography is steep. Most amateur photographers are unwilling or unable to directly approach and even confront their subjects. You have to directly see into the person or persons to make a meaningful street photograph that actually shows insight. From HCB to Arbus to Maier, the photographers who see something others don't notice about their subjects are the special ones.
Easy to do bad street photography under the guise of "artsy", but difficult to do great photos without courage and insight. That's why there are so many street photographers and so few good ones. Just my opinion; others may differ.
Andy
Whether you like that book or not, or even like street photography, the point is one needs to be able to edit one's work. Back in art school, we would call it overcoming mother hen syndrome. Not all your creations
First, I have to admit I don't like most of Winogrand's output.
Second, good street photography doesn't always engage the subject (example: HCB's high-angle photo of the cyclist passing the stairs, the man jumping the puddle; Frank's photo of the African-American nanny and the white child) or even have a human subject (example: Elliott Erwin's photo of Great Dane legs, woman's boots and Chihuahua dog). Good street photography is good, engaging (to the viewer), maybe implies a story. Lack of sharpness or tilted horizons can add to the mood and energy of a street photo.
Yes. Exactly....except that I think we're really talking about the vast majority of people here. That is to say, the vast majority of people, when they look at those 83 photos, cannot see what distinguishes them from their own ordinary, even crappy, snapshots. I certainly cannot.
EDIT: And I'm not limiting this to just Robert Frank's "The Americans". I think the same is true for any of the recognized street photographer...HCB, Winogrand, take your pick, even Walker Evans...so much of it looks like some random crappy snapshots.
This makes me confused ,,The problem is that the hypothetical photographer you describe can't tell the difference between a good (street and maybe other genres) photo and an ordinary or even a bad one. Many--probably most--of the well-known street photographers shoot or have shot a ton of crappy pictures. But they can tell the difference and don't show or post those. For The Americans, Robert Frank shot 27,000 frames, printed maybe a thousand, and ended up putting 83 in the book.
This makes me confused ,,
What kind of readers pay cash for 83 pictures of people walking on the street, a traffic light, a fire hydrant, or the like?
This makes me very confused and amazed.
+1I guess you have to look in the mirror.
Why do you think you're good at it?
+1
The OP's first post in this thread reeks of arrogance.
What is the double negative you are talking about?I cannot say that I disagree with you. [An artful proper use of a double negative in English, for non native English speakers]
What is the double negative you are talking about?
Do you mean x-ray film?
Or do you mean another meaning?
Yes, maybe you speak English.
But I don't think you know much about that language.
What is the double negative you are talking about?
Do you mean x-ray film?
Or do you mean another meaning?
Yes, maybe you speak English.
But I don't think you know much about that language.
I think he meant this...
"I cannot say that I disagree with you. "
In other words, I "can say that I agree with you".
...
Andy
Its actually more subtle than that. Note that "I do not disagree" does not necessarily imply that I agree....and, "I cannot say that I disagree" is even more subtle...it does not rule out the possibility that the speaker is very diplomatically saying, "I think you're full of shit but, I either do know enough or don't really think its important enough to upset you about it."
Well, Mr. Glass,I cannot say that I disagree with you. [An artful proper use of a double negative in English, for non native English speakers]
===> I agree with you.
In English for multiple negatives: Even number of negatives change the sentence to positive; odd number of negatives makes a negative sentence.
In Russian for multiple negatives: Intensify the negativity.
The first translation of Anna Karenina was done under English grammar rules which not only made the translation very wrong, it was very confusing. When using a non native language, one must understand, among other things, the grammar rules relating to multiple negative in a sentence.
Stick around Photrio a few years and you will learn all sorts of things about the English language that they rarely teach in school. Such as we are separated by a common language.
God bless you master / AndyHI think he meant this...
"I cannot say that I disagree with you. "
In other words, I "can say that I agree with you".
And if the poster who said this was going by the dictionary or symbolic definition, he did not mean "Palestinians", he meant this:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Philistine
I don't think there was any offense intended by either comment.
Andy
God bless you master / AndyH
You are a respectable person and your style is accurate and clear,
Greetings to you from Egypt.
Snapshots are snapshots and while they financed growth and research forAgfa, Kodak, Ansco and Lumine, snapshots are not serious photography. I stopped taking snapshots by my fourth roll of film. Snapshots are not what APUG, Photrio or street photography are about. That said, a lot of what is posted as so called street photography is really snapshots by newbees and wannabees. Some of thoes newbees and wannabees may become good street photographers some day, but what they are posting on the internet are for the most part not very good.
I think it may have something to do with the fact that most of the photos that are published by the renowned masters of street photography are for the most part indistinguishable from crappy, haphazard snapshots. So naturally one thinks, "Oh, look! Here's a photo of a lady walking a poodle past an open doorway, taken by (fill in name of famous street photographer) with a Leica on Tri-X . I can do that and be famous too!"...and so you find a whole bunch of folks who need recognition walking around taking pictures and posting their shit on instagram or where ever. All you have to do is say it is street photography and you can be famous too....right?
Tell me again, what is this post about?
Okay ,,Thank you. Even when you misread something in English, it seems quite clear that your intent is sincere.
Andy
I don't know. You tell me.
As I said in my original post in this thread, I don't know and I do not care.
All that matters to me is that it is authentic and true.
but let's get to the real point of the matter....
Does categorizing a photo (or a photographer) somehow change its intrinsic value? Can it magically turn shit into gold?
I say no, it cannot. Viewers and critics may label or categorize a photo, or a body of work, or a person but a label cannot change the essential essence of the thing or the person.
I think many photographers and viewers mistakenly think otherwise.
I see nothing wrong with pictures taken on the street been categorized as street photography.
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The fact what you are walking and taking pictures doesn't make it all as street photography.
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