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As long as the Greek is female and scantily (if at all) clad, it seems...
The best I can do at the moment is this commercial from the 80s:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJXJtlQuRSE

If that doesn't do it for you, I can always pose with my lycra bib shorts and a blond wig eating chips.
You Norwegians are weird.
 
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If that doesn't do it for you, I can always pose with my lycra bib shorts and a blond wig eating chips.
You Norwegians are weird.

Man, I have an image in my mind now that will not go away............ ;p
 
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Man, I have an image in my mind now that will not go away............ ;p
You understand now what I mean by "offensive images"...
Its not my fault though, the Norwegian made me do it!
 

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clouds???

Dreadful things. Up above, full of water just waiting to come pouring down.
 

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clouds???

Dreadful things. Up above, full of water just waiting to come pouring down.

Only waiting? In Bergen? :D

Bergen is renowned for its plentiful rainfall (and has been nicknamed the City of Rain or the Seattle of Europe), which makes up most of the 2250 mm (88 in) yearly average precipitation. For some years there were paraplyautomater (umbrella vending machines) installed in the streets, however, they did not turn out to be a success. A joke is told in Bergen about a tourist asking a local boy if it ever stops raining. "I don't know, replies the boy, I'm only twelve." Another story is told,that horses were frightened when they saw a man without umbrella.
(Stolen from http://www.pbase.com/bauer/bergen_norway)

But you're right, Ole. These clouds, especially through red filters to dramatise them even more, are really offensive. And you have to use an umbrella so as not to frighten the horses!
 

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That reminds me, I'm deeply offended by people unable to accept humour as part of titles of images. So what if I want to call a naked woman a pear/orange/muffin/kitten? It's funny. It's tongue in cheek.
 

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That reminds me, I'm deeply offended by people unable to accept humour as part of titles of images. So what if I want to call a naked woman a pear/orange/muffin/kitten? It's funny. It's tongue in cheek.

I agree.:D

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So what if I want to call a naked woman a pear/orange/muffin/kitten? It's funny. It's tongue in cheek.

I'm not sure the expression "tongue in cheek" when talking about naked women is quite "appropriate"...
:rolleyes:
 

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I'm deeply offended by all the photographs that are being posted here. All this talk and viewing of photography/ cameras makes me sick. Dont you deviants and sinners know there may be children on the internet. Anyone would think it was a photography site or something?
 
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I will commit the greatest sin in this thread possible:
I will make a serious post.
You're welcome to skip it if you find it offensive.

What concerns me is the use of the word "offensive".
To my understanding, it is a synonym for "aggression", "attack" and "insult".
That is, describes a direct act, not a passive event.
Something "offensive" has a target that launches out against of.
For example, this whole thread is an act of aggression towards the close-minded people that prefer censorship to self-discipline.

The Merriem-Webster online dictionary has this entry for the word:
Pronunciation:
\ə-ˈfen(t)-siv, especially for 1 ˈä-ˌfen(t)-, ˈȯ-\
Function:
adjective
Date:
circa 1564

1 a: making attack : aggressive b: of, relating to, or designed for attack <offensive weapons> c: of or relating to an attempt to score in a game or contest; also : of or relating to a team in possession of the ball or puck
2: giving painful or unpleasant sensations : nauseous, obnoxious <an offensive odor>
3: causing displeasure or resentment <offensive remarks>

When it comes to non physical acts though, it is usually meant in regards to "insulting", which is also an attack against certain people, either targeted directly or indirectly.
Direct targeting would be for example the famous Danish cartoon of the bomb-headed Muslim Prophet, that angered the Islamic population. That was a direct attack against their religion, baiting their reaction as to bring out the issue of the freedom of speech. The Islamists that protested violently, burned or stepped over the danish flag as a direct offense against the nation of Denmark that originated and protected the source of their anger.
Similarly, if one is to post an image that attacks in one way or another a religion, a nation, a symbol and so on, the term "offensive" is well applied to describe it.
The also famous campaign of the clothing corporation of Benetton aimed to "shock and awe" the consumers with images that were not by themselves insulting or aggressive but their size and persistence in public was difficult to swallow. It followed the rule of advertising that "there is no bad publicity" and was successful as that. As much are depictions of "perfect", scantily-clad women offensive to the feminist ideology.
Usually though, indirect "offensives" are used as a metaphor as in "attacking the senses", to describe something we dislike:
This odor is offensive. This food has an offensive taste. And so on.
Indeed, there are attacks to the senses that are easier to escape than others. Terrible architecture or hundred meter billboards are hard to escape from. Food in prison is hard to escape from. If your workplace or your spouse stinks, that is also hard to escape.
Yet, there are other things that are easy to ignore.
The exhibition of an artist you dislike doesn't have to be visited. Unless you are force to go there with a class.
The taxi cab driver could turn the music down or off. Unless he doesn't have respect for the customer.
Fast Food burghers don't have to be eaten. Unless you can't afford better food.

Anyway, you get my drift.
I fail to see then how a photograph, found on a forum on the Internet, that no one forces you to visit, can be offensive unless it directly attacks your religion, ethnicity, etc. And even then, maybe it is worth discussing, before you respond violently. Hey, maybe Christ was right with that "turn the other cheek" nosense, especially when it is not a physical attack that can harm your health.

Before you substitute the word "offensive" for "disliking" to describe a photograph, think about it well. If it is insulting and can justify the insult, then maybe its worth doing something about. If it is just something you don't like, ignoring it is the best action to take.

(my approach to the subject is shallow and hurried, but I don't have the time to get much more in depth. I hope I get the message across and offend anyone by what I've written or omitted)
 
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I think that you bring up an important point, Ari. I did understand your drift from the get-go, and I'm glad you made it perversely humorous.

When posting photographs that can be construed by others as 'offensive' (no matter how misused the word is, it is a good one), I think you have to be prepared for the criticism too. But if you wish to say anything negative about a posting like that (or positive, for that matter), you'd better thing about it twice and study it from all angles. Empathy. Empathy. Empathy. Empathy. It is such a great skill to have that a lot of people seem to have forgotten the meaning of. Quoting Merriam-Webster (thanks for the idea, Ari):
"1: the imaginative projection of a subjective state into an object so that the object appears to be infused with it"
Or more importantly here:
"2: the action of understanding, being aware of, being sensitive to, and vicariously experiencing the feelings, thoughts, and experience of another of either the past or present without having the feelings, thoughts, and experience fully communicated in an objectively explicit manner; also : the capacity for this"
Basically, the ability to put yourself in another person's shoes and at least have the wish to try to understand them.

But what I can't stand is when somebody is truly serious about a series of photographs (or fill-in-the-blank kind of art) that is really important to them, and people just state their opinions of what they 'like' or 'don't like', all while the poster is hoping for constructive feedback that is based on a knowledge of studying photography, as opposed to what someone's taste may be.

- Thomas
 
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I agree Thomas, but usually "offensive" describes the line that an artwork crosses when it stops being able to be critically discussed and becomes simply undesirable and its removal the only course of action. Since being "offended", that is insulted, carries an emotional depth, it is often impossible for the hurt person to react rationally with the option for a conversation to affect their position on the matter. It would be like someone who dislikes pees to be suddenly like them when informed of their nutritional value.
One may well dislike an artwork and be able to discuss it and put forward ideas. One may will critique it heavily strongly and dismiss it with no option for redemption from the part of the artist. But one uses the word "offensive" to describe an artwork that directly attacks them, even if it was not the intention of the artwork. When it comes to that, there is very little space for discussion, especially when the removal of the offensive piece is aggressively sought.
In other words, an "offensive" artwork is usually beyond discussion save for the subjects of its "offensiveness" and the rights of the artist to "offend".
I severely dislike the word "offensive" to be a synonym with "dislike", because it follows that it equals with "insult" thus rendering one easily attacked and hurt. In that regard one makes enemies of artists and artworks, simply because they exist, thus their non-existence becomes the only solution for the wellbeing of those fragile people.
When then does an artwork is worthy of critique, even a strict one and when does it become a time for self-discipline and reflection?
When an artwork is thus able to teach and liberate when it is only harmful and undesirable?
Is an artwork then equal to a physical attack and an artist be accused of deliberate or indirect harm?
When is the wise move to ignore something, learn from something or remove it from existence or public presence?
Is it just by attaching an adjective to an artwork "offensive", "racist", "exploitive", "insensitive", etc and by proving it is as such harmful to the well being of a person, a group of persons, or the whole human race?
Is it then a matter of protecting that group?
Did I stop making sense?
 
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It's an interesting discussion, Ari. I think you are right to separate "dislike" from "offence".
It seems to me that the real offensiveness is imposing ones judgement or values on other people. I'm sure that all of us, when we look at the APUG galleries or any collection of art work, see some things we like and others that we don't. Fine, we are all making internal judgements on the artworks. The problem comes when somebody is arrogant enough or sufficiently fundamentalist to think that their judgement has absolute authority. Just think of the suppression of authors by numerous totalitarian regimes or the persecution of heretics by various religions. It's a more extreme version of the same mentality - anything which challenges or causes you to think must be suppressed.

I feel that the best images are those which challenge and force one to think. Of course it can be a very uncomfortable process, especially if it is ones deepest beliefs or psyche which are questioned. However, saying that the art is offensive is really attacking the messenger.

You asked a good question "When then does an artwork is worthy of critique, even a strict one and when does it become a time for self-discipline and reflection?" I suggest that the answer lies in another question "When can the viewer offer a worthy criticism and when should they spend time in self-discipline and reflection?" That is to say, it is not the artwork at fault. If the viewer is so emotionally affected as to be offended, then they should first shut up and deal with their own emotions. Demanding that an image is removed is just burying ones head in the sand instead of facing up to reality.

Pete
 
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