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Stieglitz said we should try to turn out beautiful Pictures not Photographs

Thanks for bringing attention to his article. I recall it from Photo Mosaics 1890.

In my opinion, Stieglitz was correct. And he still is. And sadly this phenomenon is no longer just an American thing. He has made a clear distinction between the photograph and a picture. "A Photograph of Artistic Value." And I must admit that I fully accept that definition, in this context. He was not referring to the definition that one might expect to find in a household dictionary. He also placed a finger directly on what I think is the cause. "These qualities can only be attained through cultivation and conscientious study of art in all its forms." How many people practicing photography today have any background or education in the arts? Without a background in the subject of endeavor, ie; producing "Photographs of Artistic Value", how does one produce such works? The occasional accidental? Hit and Miss? Random luck?
 
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I think the call to make better "whatever you want to call it" is always valid. I think the article says a lot in a few paragraphs. As such it's still inspirational, whether you want to update your definition of terms or not.
 


Well, when they misspell my name Klien like people misspell recieve, I tell them is i before e except after c and KL.
 

a picture is taken;a photograph is made
 

Yes,we all knowedwhat you meaned
 
Theo Sulphate said:
A picture can be a painting, a drawing, a photograph, or sometimes a container for holding liquids.

A photograph is a picture made with a camera.
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No, a container for holding liquids is a pitcher. or in the U.K a jug.
 
benjiboy said:
No, a container for holding liquids is a pitcher. or in the U.K a jug.
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A pitcher is also the dude standing on the mound hurling a ball at your head.
 
Rick A said:
A pitcher is also the dude standing on the mound hurling a ball at your head.
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We don't play baseball in the U.K but It must be very difficult Rick to hit a round ball with a round bat
 
If you are interested in a book that contains just "photographs of artistic value", I would highly recommend . . . "Steichen - The Master Prints 1895-1914, The Symbolist Period", MOMA - ISBN 0-87070-581-4

I would say that every image represented within the covers of this book easily rise to the level of Steiglitz's "Picture". I really am tempted to cut out the images, frame them, and cover my walls. I wonder if Steichen was influenced by Steiglitz's Plea?
 
They were very close associates for quite a long time.
 
benjiboy said:
No, a container for holding liquids is a pitcher. or in the U.K a jug.
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Well, you'll note I said "sometimes" -- that was to accommodate the instances when some people pronounce "picture" as "pitcher"

'round these parts, a jug is used to hold moonshine. After Ansel Adams printed what was to become "Moonrise, Hernandez, New Mexico", he probably poured some moonshine from a jug.
 
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Perhaps you should check the urban dictionary
 
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