Stand development in Ilfosol 3?

pathdoc · Apr 21, 2017

I have heard that this is possible, but I haven't seen any firm figures on either dilution or times. (And by stand development I am including semi-stand with occasional agitations.)

Can anyone confirm, deny, or anywhere in between with caveats and cautions?

Emphasis is on feasibility, not necessarily on "best possible results".

Films I have available to me right now are Fomapan 200, TMax 400 and TriX 400.

Many thanks.

pentaxuser · Apr 21, 2017

pathdoc said:
Emphasis is on feasibility, not necessarily on "best possible results".

Many thanks.

In the sense of "capable of being done" it has to be feasible, doesn't it?. Given your thread is now 7 hours old with no replies it may suggest that few, in any, have tried it here on APUG.

Give it a try and let us know. If it were me but it is not, then I'd ask Ilford for its views first

pentaxuser

Gerald C Koch · Apr 21, 2017

Stand development and Rodinal seem to be uttered in the same breath.

Tim Stapp · Apr 21, 2017

Ilfosol 3 and stand development??? Really? Isn't Ilfosol 3 a pretty hot developer to consider for stand development?

Wouldn't Rodinal in it's many incarnations be better???

LAG · Apr 22, 2017

pathdoc said:
Can anyone confirm, deny, or anywhere in between ...?

Without ever having done it nor need it, I am quite sure and confirm that it can be done. You only have to know what a "stand development" is, after that do your own maths (or your own semi-maths).

pathdoc said:
Can anyone confirm, deny, or anywhere in between with caveats and cautions? ... Emphasis is on feasibility, not necessarily on "best possible results"

(ummm, I wonder why do you need caveats and cautions if "best possible results" are not necessary)

Best of luck!

miha · Apr 22, 2017

Stand development and roll film don't go together well.

pathdoc · Apr 22, 2017

Tim Stapp said:
Ilfosol 3 and stand development??? Really? Isn't Ilfosol 3 a pretty hot developer to consider for stand development?

Wouldn't Rodinal in it's many incarnations be better???

It would be far better, BUT...

1) I find it difficult to get it where I am (air or sea freight with its attendant costs are necessary).
2) I have Ilfosol 3 and I heard that stand with it was possible, so I thought if there was a useful recipe out there (dilution and time) I would give it a shot for the hell of it.

If there is a theoretical basis for working out how to approach it from first principles, I'd love to know.

LAG · Apr 22, 2017

pathdoc said:
...If there is a theoretical basis for working out how to approach it from first principles, I'd love to know.

There is: Time & Temperature (that's what a stand development is)

pathdoc · Apr 22, 2017

LAG said:
There is: Time & Temperature (that's what a stand development is)

Time, temperature and concentration - the question for the amateur is trying to determine how much of each, which is why I'm here asking for a starting point.

LAG · Apr 22, 2017

pathdoc said:
Time, temperature and concentration - the question for the amateur is trying to determine how much of each, which is why I'm here asking for a starting point.

No, no. "Time and temperature" for a starting point, that's why I told you to do your maths for a "stand". What about taking a look at the manufacture's data sheet?

Perhaps you do not see it, but I am helping you (for you to find the answer for yourself)

Best!

Craig75 · Apr 22, 2017

It does look a very rapid developer from the datasheet so to slow it down for a time suitable for stand development you will need a low temperature and a higher dilution. 15 degrees celcius 1+29 dilution for 30mins would be completely uneducated random jumble of numbers. It will probably take you a few rolls to get your dilution and time right as its an unusual combo.

Id only develop half the roll like that and use other half of roll after youve seen effects of yr first effort and dont have any important shots on the roll!

Gerald C Koch · Apr 22, 2017

Why is stand development required? It is NOT a magic bullet and should be used only for special circumstances for tonal compression. Read up on the Zone System for more information. Stand development is not a general purpose developing method. It can result in muddy negatives and bromide drag.

pentaxuser · Apr 22, 2017

It looks like it is a total "stab in the dark". With a developer like Ilfosol you presumably need to know by how much it can be diluted before it becomes useless i.e. is there a minimum amount of Ilfosol needed for proper development?

I suspect that there is and this minimum may preclude what most people regard as being stand development. I'd ask Ilford as I said.

They may strongly advise against even trying it or even be bold enough to say that it won't work. You might need to make it clear that this is purely an experiment and you are not expecting anything at all as Ilford would want to avoid the risk that you then tell the world that Ilford gave you advice about Ilfosol stand development but it didn't work.

pentaxuser

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