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Has stand development always been around, or is it a relatively recent development?

I've spent a lot of years reading about the subject of film development, but only have become aware of this technique here on APUG.

Also, what are the claimed advantages of stand development? Apparently, it's a super compensating kind process. Does it handle low contrast scenes well enough to be used for general use?

Just wonderin'...

Gary,
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Look up William Mortensen, from the early part of the last century.

From http://unblinkingeye.com/Articles/Mortensen/mortensen.html

"As to his film development methods at that time: He had a tank that would take about 4 or 5 rolls of 120 Gevaert film (that was what he was using then) vertically (clip on the top and a weight on the bottom). The developer was D-76 because I mixed it for him. One very important thing I found out the first time I made a new batch was that he did not throw out all of the old developer but saved some to which he added the fresh developer. Otherwise he said it would be "too hot". At that time we developed film without any agitation, for an extended time, but not really timed. "

I'd doubt he was the first.
 

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Berenice Abbot assisted Man Ray in the 1920's in Paris. She found and promoted the work of Eugene Atget (1857-1927), and got to know him. She recounts his use of stand development, letting negatives soak in developer in his tub while serving and drinking tea with his guests.

Stand development has been around for a long time.

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Standing Development:
Old as the hills,
taught as state of the art
at the end of the 19th C
and in the early 20th C.

Gradually displaced by time and temp as the business of photography
had to deal with the need of the skilled craftsperson to manage the business
and to hire unskilled people to do the darkroom work.

In WW2, thousands of civillians were trained
to do a simplified, by-the-numbers photography
that became the norm in the late '40s and early '50s.

In the early 1920s Agfa, among others, published detailed
information about 'standing development' (actually, what we describe
as 'minimal agitation') using Rodinal, ABC Pyro, Glycin-Carbonate, and Metol-Carbonate developers,
while Kodak anticipated the commercial realities and created techniques
suitable for a non-craft based photography. THIS is the photography that
has been taught since WW2, and in many ways has been replaced by the 'artisanal photography'
which is so interesting today.

The easiest way to understand Stand Development is that Agitation can be used to control highlight density.

Minimal agitation, therefore, can 'PUSH' the shadows whilst 'PULLING' the highlights, and hold the MIDTONES in the middle. The old photo-legend term 'COMPENSATION' infers magical events happening in the dark,
while 'minimal agitation' is simply a practical and repeatable means of highlight placement.

When we read old accounts, it is important to consider what the writers assumed the reader would already know; in this case, that SOME agitation was necessary, like stirring coffee or tea to melt a cube of sugar. Mortenson, Adams, Weston.... all the photographers of the early 20th C varied agitation to suit their immediate needs.
 

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Actuallly,

AL Gore invented Stand Development.

tim in san jose
 

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Let's get this straight. No matter what Snopes interprits his words as...

He said it.

And yes, I am a Al Gore fan. But he did say it. And he was wrong.

And I am sure he invented Stand Development also.

tim in san jose
 

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Read what Vint Cerf, known as "the father of the internet", has to say in the second citation.

Lee
 

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I'm a bit confused by this (that is stand development). I've always been something of a stickler about following processing instructions. You know, said film and developer combination at this temp for so long, agitate 5 sec. every 30, etc. Stand development seems to fly in the face of this 'precision.' Is this simply a matter of earlier, vintage films and chemicals vs. modern, contemporary equivalents?
 

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I just did my first stand development. Well, stand and divided.

I made up a very low developer concentration Bath A and then cooked it in a pH 11 Bath B for 45 minutes. Inverted once during the soak.

Wow. I've not had a chance to magnify for grain observations, but the tonality looks awesome.

Despite being of low concentration, the TMY and the Foma were overdeveloped, but really clean. The Forte 400 was about spot on. Not surprising, the Forte is one of the most unreactive films. I cut the metol in half, added more sulfite to keep the concentration the same, and ran only the TMY and Foma. Still overdeveloped. I'll cut in half again tonight.

I'll "publish" my findings once I have enough experience with this.
 

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I'm a bit confused by this (that is stand development). I've always been something of a stickler about following processing instructions. You know, said film and developer combination at this temp for so long, agitate 5 sec. every 30, etc. Stand development seems to fly in the face of this 'precision.' Is this simply a matter of earlier, vintage films and chemicals vs. modern, contemporary equivalents?

Standing development (or, Minimal Agitation) has the same potential precision as strict, by-the-book 'processing instructions'.

'Processing Instructions' are published to give the lab technician, or photographer, a simple and repeatable means to acceptable results. They offer a known and predictable result. This is a VERY good thing. This is the conventional "Time and Temperature" process.

If you worked in a commercial or industrial lab, a newspaper darkroom, or portrait studio between 1920 and 1998, this is absolutely how you did it. The short road to excellence is to make no mistakes, and if you were processing the film of a range of photographers, each with a variety of subjects, your contribution to their process had to be a constant: known and predictable.

A photographer adjusted the technique to suit a constant development; a field photographer might have adjusted the exposure to ensure the important data was always in the 'fat' part of the film, and accepted that burning, dodging, and masking was just part of the game. A studio simply adjusted the lighting to fit the processing.

When the system worked, you had no failures. You seldom had a 'perfect negative', but that wasn't important. There was no room for craftsmanship in this world, there was an absolute necessity of repeatability.

When digital imaging displaced film from the commercial world, the NECESSITY of strict Time & Temp processing vanished.

Likewise, in the early days of the 20th century, a photo technique evolved to give consistent results with fairly coarse exposure controls. Development by inspection, standing development, and bleaches to reduce over exposed highlights were common. Making the picture was simple. Edward Weston described his portrait technique in a 1916 article in The Photo Miniature; using a wide open lens, “I hold the shutter open until I sense the subject is about to move”. This summed up the way most folks worked. You needed an expert in the darkroom to develop plates. As the commercial world made use of the improved films, and papers, it was possible to take the expert out of the darkroom. And as the BUSINESS of photography evolved, it became essential to replace the craftsman in the darkroom, with a laborer.

Today, it is all a matter of personal choice, a creative tool dependent upon the temperament of the photographer, the photographer’s experience, and the nature of the images the photographer wants to make.

Today, there is no longer a commercial necessity to use development as a constant. We can exploit the expressive potential of “agitation as a creative control” in the same way we might choose one film over another, a lens, or how we filter an exposure.

Minimal agitation (which, to our 21st century ears is a more accurate term than ‘standing development’) is as consistent and predictable as agitating 5 seconds every 30 seconds. It fits perfectly well in the toolbox of the most sophisticated photographer, as well as the photographer who cherishes simplicity.
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I just did my first stand development. Well, stand and divided.

United we develop, divided we stand! Sorry, couldn't resist that one...

Just tried 1 hour with Rodinal 1/150 on some PX125 in 120, as suggested by Lee (Thanks, Lee!). Worked like a charm. I'd only used it with APX 35mm film before, shying away from 120 and sheet film due to the flap about uneven development and drag marks on the film. Not a problem. Since I shoot very little 35 these days and I often have a situation where I'm hanging around the sink for an hour anyway, this is going to get a lot more play in my darkroom.
 

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"Your developer of your life, qua diddly qua qua..."

Kirk

I joined his insect nation many, many years ago.
 

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Stand development - not for everything. Stand development that I have done myself: greater accutance. Faster film speed. More contrast. Higher densities. Using semi stand techniques, with Pyrocat and Tri-x and FP4 - 35 minutes usually gives the best compromise. At one hour, the accutance (mackie lines) is starting to become a distraction and the DR of the film starts to drop sharply. I would avoid stand development for smaller formats, for high contrast scenes or for over exposed film. I use stand development for SBR (scene brightness ranges) of 5 or less. Rate the film at box speed and for 120 film and 4x5 film. 8x10 film gets a whole different strategy.
 

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I am new to stand development, but so far it has been a complete success for me. My experience is limited to Efke 25 and 50 in 135 and 130 using Rodinal 1:100. My method is to prewash the film for a few minutes, dump in 500ml of very well mixed Rodinal 1:100 per roll of film that is approx 20°C(68°F), use slow inversions continuously for the first 2 minutes, then let it set for 60 minutes. Dump developer, water bath and fix for 4 minutes. So far the results have been splendid.

I find it best to tend toward underexposure of the film when developing with this method compared to overexposure when doing normal developing methods. I shoot the film at rated speed, but if in doubt, I expose for the highlights and find there is more than enough shadow detail.

It is hard to not be pleased with results like this...

Sparks | Sydney, Australia 2008
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Bessa R2 | Voigtländer Ultron 28mm f2.0 | Efke KB50 | Rodinal 1:100
 

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df cardwell, I meant to thank you for that interesting post about processing philosophies and techniques in history. Sometimes we are so focused, er, bad pun, on the trees that we can't see the forest. Or, we are guilty of thinking that there is only one way to do things. The new interest in Mortensen is a good example.
 

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Thanks, Paul
 
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