Special order Eastman Double-X in 4x5 sheet.

Kodak Double X

Not sure if anyone is interested, but Keith Canham is trying to see if there's any interest in a run of 4x5 Kodak Double-X film. He needs around 200 boxes to place the order. If you are interested, shoot him an e-mail at kodakfilm@canhamcameras.com He said a 50 sheet box would cost about the same as current Kodak film, so I'm guessing around $100.00/box. I'm not affiliated with Keith in any way, just trying to spread the 4x5 Black and White film love .

Jeff

Darn. I'd love being in on that. No money. Heck, that stinks. But good luck.

I reckon I could go two boxes, and have told him so (via Facebook)! Love Kodak B&W film...

Marc!

I almost wish I shot 4x5. Good luck with the project!

What are the characteristics of this film? Is it similar to Plus-X?

Karl A said:

What are the characteristics of this film? Is it similar to Plus-X?

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Karl,

I'm not 100% sure, honestly. Here's some info from Kodak: http://motion.kodak.com/motion/Products/Production/Black_And_White_Films/5222.htm

Looks pretty nice!

Jeff

Thomas Bertilsson said:

I almost wish I shot 4x5. Good luck with the project!

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Thomas,

This isn't my project. Just spreading the word to try to help Keith get the minimum order so we can all get some tasty looking film in 4x5 format.

Jeff

well softer working than +x or 3x finer grain than 3x though not tabular YMMV it is 2x

Wow! Thanks for the heads up.

Xmas said:

well softer working than +x or 3x finer grain than 3x though not tabular YMMV it is 2x

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I THINK you are saying it is "softer working" (whatever that means - most films can be developed to the contrast you want with suitable development) than Plus-X an one third the grain size of Tri-X. Of course I understand YMMV but I have no idea what "it is 2x" means. Double-X? Yeah, we know that.

The standard XX products these days are 35mm and both double and single perforated 16mm cine film, Eastman 5222/7222. The start of a recent James Bond film (Casino Royale) was filmed with this material, as was almost all of Schindler's List. Typical developer for cine use would be D-96. The 35mm stock is widely used as still-camera film by bulk-loading into standard cassettes.

More information on Double-X, including developing, can be found here:
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Hi everyone,

There's a chance that Kodak, or rather Eastman Kodak? Whoever makes the movie stock film Double-X Will be able to make a special run of 4x5 sheet film.

It's a really beautiful film, it has a look all its own. It tends to have sort of the look of old Tri-X and Plus-X mixed together and is relatively grainy. Although on a movie screen, the green isn't so terrible, I know that sometimes in 35mm stills, the green can be distracting in large prints of 11x17 or larger.

However using 4x5 sheets the grain would be significantly reduced!

SO! I spoke to Keith, at Canham Cameras because he often works with kodak on special order cut film sheet sizes. He spoke to Kodak, and says that there's actually a real possibility, Kodak wants to ensure that there's enough interest before they actually do the math as it's complicated because they have to work with both the movie stock production company and the normal cut sheet film company who are different from each other.

So if you're interested for real, and want to know actual pricing etc. I need you to go to this website fill out the form and tell them roughly how many boxes you would take, I would assume that Kodak will make the same kind of boxes they normally do of 50 sheets per box.

Please just guesstimate so that he has a good incentive and we can get more information on pricing. Assume the price per box would be AROUND $100/50 sheet box. Go to this website...

http://canhamcameras.com/kodakform.html

And fill out the form. Thanks let's make this happen!

You might want to check out this thread from Yesterday
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Hey Jeff,

Just saw this thread, I made my own as well

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I was the one who originally approached Keith about having this happen, I'm glad to see it's taken off well

Here's two examples of the film that I've shot to pique your interest

I committed to two boxes...

Duncan

Here are 2 examples of the film I've shot to... pique your interest

StoneNYC said:

Here are 2 examples of the film I've shot to... pique your interest

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That's one way to distract people from the otherwise obvious grain of Double-X ;-)

Duncan

frobozz said:

That's one way to distract people from the otherwise obvious grain of Double-X ;-)

Duncan

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Stone didn't develop the DXN carefully enough. This material in 35 mm can give grainless and very sharp results in 8x10 prints. Built in low contrast helps in keeping the highlights under control. Very flexible material. It is made to run in high speed cameras, it is just stronger, less scratch prone, with AH layer which looks like from Tmax. I would prefer to have it in 120 format, if the price could be kept sane.

timor said:

Stone didn't develop the DXN carefully enough. This material in 35 mm can give grainless and very sharp results in 8x10 prints. Built in low contrast helps in keeping the highlights under control. Very flexible material. It is made to run in high speed cameras, it is just stronger, less scratch prone, with AH layer which looks like from Tmax. I would prefer to have it in 120 format, if the price could be kept sane.

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It is cheap in 35mm cine cans they used to do Plus-x in cine as well.
If you might want some Id order today.

Xmas said:

It is cheap in 35mm cine cans they used to do Plus-x in cine as well.
If you might want some Id order today.

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Do you have me on your mind ? Thank you for the thought, but I have two cans on ice and one currently in use. Sadly it is not cheap anymore, price went from $140 to $240 in the last 12 months.

A 400 foot can of 5222 is cheaper than 4 of 100 foot cans of Trix bulk in the UK today.

I have two 400 foot cans of 5222 in fridge and 100 foot in a Watson.

I am up for 3 boxes if it flies. I like the film. It is a nice, low contrast film and is quite flexible in use. I think it would be very useful as a 4x5 sheet film.

StoneNYC said:

Here's two examples of the film that I've shot to pique your interest

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Ya, the first thought that came to my mind was "What kind of film did he use?"