Sorry if I sound like a jerk , but does anyone really care ?

removed account4 · May 2, 2019

thanks for the posts / responses.

Truzi said:
Jnantz, I'm surprised this isn't one of your usual polls; it will make the impetus slightly more difficult to find

Truzi, I could make a poll if you want? It might be the 8th or 12th in 16 years.
Regarding the "impetus" of the post .. I just put into words something I think about a lot, since learning how to make negatives and prints .. that aside from the random views that might show time and place, aside from family snapshots, or portraits, sometimes it seems that none of it really matters, and what's the point of the need to archivally print + process everything. I found a glass plate I coated a few years ago and the emulsion had lifted from the glass and was brittle. It was something I sold prints of too, and when I saw it falling off the plate i just shrugged my shoulders, should I have cared ?IDK, cause I didn't and I don't really think in 10 or 30 or 100 years anyone else will either.

Chan Tran · May 2, 2019

jnantz said:
Sorry if I sound like a jerk but does anyone really care, I mean really care?
I know the big thing about photographers, any kind, is to make photographs that last a long time.
Years, decades or centuries are better. But to be honest does anyone really care about the photos we or most photographers or hobbyists or whatever make ??

I did say SORRY before this and in the title because I am sorry. I know most people enjoy what they are doing and want others to be able to see what they have loved doing and maybe get a kick or be inspired by the things that we might have found interesting, or what some may say " our passion" ..

I know when I am all done I don't think anyone will really care about anything I have done. I think maybe someone might like some of the streetscape or mundane photos i have taken over the years only to "see what xyz " looked like but other than that no one really cares.

Are you OK with that ? and IF SO.. why is everyone so hung up on "archival negatives and archival prints" ?

I am not hung up on archival at all.

faberryman · May 2, 2019

If something is worth doing, it is worth doing right. And it just means a little extra time in the print washer, so it is not like it requires any extra effort.

Ian Grant · May 2, 2019

Yes people do care, I mainly photograph the post industrial landscape. One project 30 years ago was around an abandoned canal, since then much of what I photographed has been destroyed so I was approached to make sure my images and particularly negative are archived and preserved.

It's the same with the next major project which I shot over 5 years, and had sponsorship and funding.

Ian

pentaxuser · May 2, 2019

CMoore said:
Would you give us your definition of "Multiculturalism" .?

Just a piece of idle curiosity on my part but it might mean something is wrong with my set-up on Photrio. You have included a quote in your #16 from KSN45MF so I assume that his post occurs earlier than #16 in this thread but I cannot find it anywhere and I am at a loss to know why unless a moderator has for some reason removed it or my Photrio just hasn't recorded it?

Any thoughts on the technical aspect of this?

pentaxuser

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c41 · May 2, 2019

I think you could extend your original post to your/my/our life in general, who cares so what, you were born and then you lived and then you died (seems so unkind...)

On one level i agree, on another more fundamental level i feel that all i can do is the best i can, including rinsing my prints properly! Que sera sera from there on, the future is really not ours to see.

I certainly feel that it’s folly to place too much import on whatever we create, but that doesn’t mean one shouldn’t try ones best - so make it all as archival as you can - classify it, apply metadata and then let go. The universe/continuum will take it from there, no need to fret too much.

CMoore · May 2, 2019

pentaxuser said:
Just a piece of idle curiosity on my part but it might mean something is wrong with my set-up on Photrio. You have included a quote in your #16 from KSN45MF so I assume that his post occurs earlier than #16 in this thread but I cannot find it anywhere and I am at a loss to know why unless a moderator has for some reason removed it or my Photrio just hasn't recorded it?

Any thoughts on the technical aspect of this?

pentaxuser

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I assume that the person i quoted deleted their post(s) .......

Kino · May 2, 2019

It's funny how the most interesting photos tend to be the ones that are mundane in the sense that, they were not staged as a "special event".

Too damn bad everyone is now hyper-sensitive about photography and being in a photo they don't generate because aspects of everyday life tend to get lost or overshadowed by staged or artfully selected shots that ignore daily life, but I guess that should be another thread...

Peltigera · May 2, 2019

jnantz said:
Sorry if I sound like a jerk but does anyone really care, I mean really care?
I know the big thing about photographers, any kind, is to make photographs that last a long time.
Years, decades or centuries are better. But to be honest does anyone really care about the photos we or most photographers or hobbyists or whatever make ??

I did say SORRY before this and in the title because I am sorry. I know most people enjoy what they are doing and want others to be able to see what they have loved doing and maybe get a kick or be inspired by the things that we might have found interesting, or what some may say " our passion" ..

I know when I am all done I don't think anyone will really care about anything I have done. I think maybe someone might like some of the streetscape or mundane photos i have taken over the years only to "see what xyz " looked like but other than that no one really cares.

Are you OK with that ? and IF SO.. why is everyone so hung up on "archival negatives and archival prints" ?

I have no illusions about my photography. When I die, Bestbeloved will leave my digital images on the computer hard drive until that computer also dies. They will then cease to exist.My negatives will last until Bestbeloved dies - and perhaps as long as my daughter lives. They will also then die.

Peter Schrager · May 2, 2019

I'm doing what I do because that's what I do. There is only today not yesterday or tomorrow
Why be in angst about things you can't control
I'm in the process of printing a few books so in 100 years someone can come across one in a dusty old bookstore and say :"look what I found"
And maybe leave an impression on them

CMoore · May 2, 2019

Peltigera said:
I have no illusions about my photography. When I die, Bestbeloved will leave my digital images on the computer hard drive until that computer also dies. They will then cease to exist.My negatives will last until Bestbeloved dies - and perhaps as long as my daughter lives. They will also then die.

Peter Schrager said:
I'm doing what I do because that's what I do. There is only today not yesterday or tomorrow
Why be in angst about things you can't control
I'm in the process of printing a few books so in 100 years someone can come across one in a dusty old bookstore and say :"look what I found"
And maybe leave an impression on them

Yes....."Thumbs Up" for the both of you.!

Bob Carnie · May 2, 2019

Peter Schrager said:
I'm doing what I do because that's what I do. There is only today not yesterday or tomorrow
Why be in angst about things you can't control
I'm in the process of printing a few books so in 100 years someone can come across one in a dusty old bookstore and say :"look what I found"
And maybe leave an impression on them

As Peter I care , its the only important thing in my photo life , I want future generations to see work I have done, personally and for others.

pentaxuser · May 2, 2019

CMoore said:
I assume that the person i quoted deleted their post(s) .......

Thanks I had forgotten that deletion was an option within a short time frame

pentaxuser

Nodda Duma · May 2, 2019

I don’t care if you sound like a jerk.

winger · May 2, 2019

Peter Schrager said:
I'm doing what I do because that's what I do. There is only today not yesterday or tomorrow
Why be in angst about things you can't control
I'm in the process of printing a few books so in 100 years someone can come across one in a dusty old bookstore and say :"look what I found"
And maybe leave an impression on them

I agree! (I should make some books, if only for me)

removed account4 · May 2, 2019

Nodda Duma said:
I don’t care if you sound like a jerk.

thats good

I hoped I didn't come off like a jerk cause I didn't mean to suggest things that people like to do / or is their passion/life's work/the thing that makes them get up in the morning &c isn't worthwhile, because I know it is, and if it came off like that, I didn't mean for it to. I've just been kind of thinking aloud, trying to figure out if there is a wrench next to my compass ...

Arklatexian · May 2, 2019

jnantz said:
Sorry if I sound like a jerk but does anyone really care, I mean really care?
I know the big thing about photographers, any kind, is to make photographs that last a long time.
Years, decades or centuries are better. But to be honest does anyone really care about the photos we or most photographers or hobbyists or whatever make ??

I did say SORRY before this and in the title because I am sorry. I know most people enjoy what they are doing and want others to be able to see what they have loved doing and maybe get a kick or be inspired by the things that we might have found interesting, or what some may say " our passion" ..

I know when I am all done I don't think anyone will really care about anything I have done. I think maybe someone might like some of the streetscape or mundane photos i have taken over the years only to "see what xyz " looked like but other than that no one really cares.

Are you OK with that ? and IF SO.. why is everyone so hung up on "archival negatives and archival prints" ?

If you are talking about the "general public", you are correct. Who WILL care about your or my work? Probably no one. But you are leaving out your (and my) most important audience, our families. They will care and who gives a damn about the rest. It is for any family who comes after me that I want my work to last, Just like I enjoy looking at pictures of my predecessors of the past hundred or so years. However, I do beg your pardon if you are not talking about black and white. You shouldn't care about color, it "self-destructs".........Regards!

removedacct1 · May 2, 2019

Kino said:
Too damn bad everyone is now hyper-sensitive about photography and being in a photo they don't generate because aspects of everyday life tend to get lost or overshadowed by staged or artfully selected shots that ignore daily life, but I guess that should be another thread...

This brings up an interesting fact about how we regard photography as a social force in 2019: we take more photos of ourselves than ever before in our history (we even had to invent a term to describe the act), and more than ever, we tend to violently object to being photographed without our consent! How curious.

Theo Sulphate · May 2, 2019

paulbarden said:
This brings up an interesting fact about how we regard photography as a social force in 2019: we take more photos of ourselves than ever before in our history (we even had to invent a term to describe the act), and more than ever, we tend to violently object to being photographed without our consent! How curious.

Are the set of people who make selfies part of the same set of people who object to being photographed? I'm not sure. Even so, those who make selfies have control over when, where and how the photo is made and who to share it with. Photography by a third party is out of their control. I think that's where the objection is likely to be.

Truzi · May 2, 2019

paulbarden said:
This brings up an interesting fact about how we regard photography as a social force in 2019: we take more photos of ourselves than ever before in our history (we even had to invent a term to describe the act), and more than ever, we tend to violently object to being photographed without our consent! How curious.

Perhaps I'm reading this wrong, but are you saying we've only recently developed a term to describe taking a portrait of oneself?

removedacct1 · May 2, 2019

Truzi said:
Perhaps I'm reading this wrong, but are you saying we've only recently developed a term to describe taking a portrait of oneself?

It is my impression that the term "selfie" is a product of Internet culture of the past ten years or less, and I regard that as "recent". In fact, Wikipedia states:

"By 2013, the word "selfie" had become commonplace enough to be monitored for inclusion in the online version of the Oxford English Dictionary. In November 2013, the word "selfie" was announced as being the "word of the year" by the Oxford English Dictionary, which gave the word itself an Australian origin."

removedacct1 · May 2, 2019

Theo Sulphate said:
Are the set of people who make selfies part of the same set of people who object to being photographed? I'm not sure. Even so, those who make selfies have control over when, where and how the photo is made and who to share it with. Photography by a third party is out of their control. I think that's where the objection is likely to be.

Oh, I definitely understand the reason for people's objection to being photographed by a third party. I am not explaining the phenomenon, I am simply observing the fact that our species is acting in new (or perhaps exaggerated) ways in response to the ubiquitous nature of digital photos and the ways in which this material is/can be shared. Its entirely possible that there is not a lot of overlap between the set of Those Who Take Selfies Ad Nauseum and Those Who Object To Being Photographed By Others.

removed account4 · May 2, 2019

paulbarden said:
Oh, I definitely understand the reason for people's objection to being photographed by a third party. I am not explaining the phenomenon, I am simply observing the fact that our species is acting in new (or perhaps exaggerated) ways in response to the ubiquitous nature of digital photos and the ways in which this material is/can be shared. Its entirely possible that there is not a lot of overlap between the set of Those Who Take Selfies Ad Nauseum and Those Who Object To Being Photographed By Others.

I hate being photographed by a third party and without consent so much that I typically am seen in public dressed like a member of The Residents.
Here I come Constantinople !

Truzi · May 2, 2019

paulbarden said:
It is my impression that the term "selfie" is a product of Internet culture of the past ten years or less, and I regard that as "recent". In fact, Wikipedia states:

"By 2013, the word "selfie" had become commonplace enough to be monitored for inclusion in the online version of the Oxford English Dictionary. In November 2013, the word "selfie" was announced as being the "word of the year" by the Oxford English Dictionary, which gave the word itself an Australian origin."

Remember, Wikipedia is written by people who cannot keep its content consistent with its sources; you'll see what I mean a few graphs down. (Don't get me wrong, I really like Wikipedia, but we have to work with it's, umm, characteristics.)

I'm just having a little fun. We seem to be on a trend to using fewer syllables, probably because we are lazy, and the internet doesn't help. I'm guilty of texting things like "prolly" when the recipient can only receive a certain number of characters.
Lets see if I can Houdinize my way out of this (https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/bday/0324.html)

Selfie is more of a bastardization of Self Portrait, and would hardly be found in a prescriptive dictionary, but is apt for a descriptive or current usage one. Either way, I don't think it makes it "new;" rather a variation or truncated form.

The Oxford Dictionaries Online is more descriptive or current usage, and is separate from the Oxford English Dictionary (which seems a bit of both). Despite Wikipedia's assertion regarding "selfie" in the body of the article, Wikipedia's references link to sources that do state it is the Oxford Dictionaries Online, not OED. (Hence my opening graph.)

However, I was able to find The OED still refers to Homer Simpson's "D'oh," at least online. I'll have to see if we have a subscription to the OED at work (I work at a University), as I had to do some creative cache-searching to find anything online.

In a way, it doesn't matter if a word is a "word" when you just want to understand something you've heard or seen, like being "pwned by a l337 h4x0r." If a dictionary tells you what it means, though, does that validate it?

KN4SMF · May 3, 2019

pentaxuser said:
Just a piece of idle curiosity on my part but it might mean something is wrong with my set-up on Photrio. You have included a quote in your #16 from KSN45MF so I assume that his post occurs earlier than #16 in this thread but I cannot find it anywhere and I am at a loss to know why unless a moderator has for some reason removed it or my Photrio just hasn't recorded it?

Any thoughts on the technical aspect of this?

pentaxuser

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Yes. I withdrew my own posts when I discovered it had attracted trolls. It's not important.

Sorry if I sound like a jerk , but does anyone really care ?

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