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With the shift to intellectual before emotionally stimulating art in the postmodern era, I would dare say artists aren't quite the sensitive and emotional Van Gogh types we expect any longer. Actually, I read something about the oldest woman in the world meeting Van Gogh and commenting on the fact he wasn't a very nice guy. Maybe we read too much into the person through his or her work.

The best art, whether we like it or not, is often a reaction to the times - 'fighting fire with fire' might be the best way to describe modern art. Fashionable cynicism has been in for a while (i.e. Andreas Gursky). I'm convinced we're on the verge of a revolution however and the coldly intellectual art in abundance is even starting to rub critics the wrong way.

My contemporary photography hero is the landscape photographer David Ward, who in his writing talks about a 'return to beauty'. As a 'sensitive artist' myself, I'm moved and inspired by such an ideal. He believes that an aversion to beauty and emotion in contemporary art is dangerous and the farther removed we are from these things (which inspire us to create in the first place) results in sterile art. I don't think we can say much about the artist's basic humanity by looking at their work, but we can certainly get an insight into their state of mind while they created it. My fear is that for our most celebrated artists, their work comes from a bitter and cynical place and this is something average Joe responds to today, quite frighteningly. Perhaps this results in all the wrong people being inspired to become artists and eventually we might lose sight of art as a representation of the human spirit - which I believe, is fundamentally good, devoid of cynical ideas and concerned with emotion.

Phew, had to get that out!
 

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I'm not sure why any successful photographer would feel the need to be arrogant on a forum made up of mostly hobbyists, but often, those concerned with technique and science don't get on with the artists.

Yes, the last time I checked none of us was born with this knowledge, someone had to teach us and sometimes show us how to do it better.

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We have to be taught how to be artists (aesthetics & history) as well as technicians, but sometimes there are those who seek to keep the two separated in photography. Problems arise. We have to keep in mind that technique is a means to an end. Even if we get great pleasure in simply playing with chemicals, we can't be ignorant (or spiteful) of photography's place in history as an art form. After all, we don't practice the zone system for recreation.

I'm sure 'art vs craft' is the main cause of any dispute between notable photographic artists and users of APUG. If life philosophies was the argument in BrianShaw's case, perhaps they should have taken it outside. :wink:
 
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If life philosophies was the argument in BrianShaw's case, perhaps they should have taken it outside. :wink:

Let me be perfectly clear - I didn't have a conflict. The person to whom I referreed was an excellent artist and a complete jerk. It was nothing personal between that person and myself. In fact, I got along with that person quite well in all matters except ethics... which we never discussed. I tolerate jerks fairly well. When I found his ethics to be incompatible with mine we simply stopped communicating both within the forum and outside of the forum. Is that clear, or do you and I need to take it outside? :confused: :laugh:
 

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p.s. And since we both have our sleeves rolled up... you can just call me Brian. No need to be too formal. :smile:
 

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you can just call me Brian. No need to be too formal. :smile:

We could keep the formalities and have an intellectual punch up? I'm always losing those though...
 

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OK, how 'bout that. Meet me in the dark alley, tonight, at 10:26. I'm be the 7 foot tall body builder you'll see coming out of the MENSA meeting. :laugh:

EDIT: Oh, and since we are still engaged in formalities... I'll be wearing a top hat and tails.

EDIT2: and, I'll be carrying an 11x14 camera.
 
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And a very heavy tripod!
 

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Yup, I hand hold my 11x14... like any real man would.
 

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Carefully and reverently?
 

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Yes, of course. I may be a huge and scary brute... but I'm polite, dainty , and religiously inclined.
 

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Yup, I hand hold my 11x14... like any real man would.

I have a Leica in each holster. Before you've even loaded, I'll have taken 36 shots and have another 36 ready to fire.
 
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I've enjoyed reading this thread. I too get star struck especially over the years chatting to well knowns behind the scenes. I feel what makes this forum great is it's tone. Maintaining the tone of a large forum is one of the biggest challenges I've ever faced. It is not something that just happens (even though it can appear that way), and it is definitely thanks to the hard work of our moderators and council that we were able to establish and maintain that tone of friendly and open exchange of information. It would be impossible to thank them enough for their help.
 

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I have a Leica in each holster. Before you've even loaded, I'll have taken 36 shots and have another 36 ready to fire.

Well, y'know... I've been thinking. I might be a little busy after that MENSA meeting. I might not be able to make it. Can we reschedule?
 

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I'm be the 7 foot tall body builder you'll see coming out of the MENSA meeting.

They keep telling him that his name isn't enough to allow him to join, and besides, that thing we think with is called a Brain, not a Brian. :blink:
 

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I tried MENSA for a while, but they were too slow thinking for me.
 

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bravo

I've enjoyed reading this thread. I too get star struck especially over the years chatting to well knowns behind the scenes. I feel what makes this forum great is it's tone. Maintaining the tone of a large forum is one of the biggest challenges I've ever faced. It is not something that just happens (even though it can appear that way), and it is definitely thanks to the hard work of our moderators and council that we were able to establish and maintain that tone of friendly and open exchange of information. It would be impossible to thank them enough for their help.



seconded...
 

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My IQ was too low for me to join MENSA, so I started my own elite organization for the stupid, I call it DENSA :D .
 
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