Someone please tell me why I need both an SLR and a TRL.

phatcactus · Oct 26, 2005

Over the summer I bought a Mamiya C33 and a lens (separately) from eBay. When the camera showed up, it was trash-worthy, so I sent it back (in better condition than it arrived, actually). But I quite liked the feel of it, and I kept the lens thinking I'd find another body soon enough.

A couple weeks ago, I got hold of a Bronica S2A, with some lenses and backs, all in really nice shape. I probably overpaid quite a bit, but I'll survive. Haven't done any real shooting yet, but playin' with it sure is fun.

Today, I innocently checked eBay to see what I might get for my C33 lens ($50-60, it seems) to help ease the sting of the Bronica purchase, and well, I ended up with a C33 body instead.

Dammit!

jmdavis · Oct 26, 2005

Because. Just because, damnit.

grahamp · Oct 27, 2005

Keep the C33 in the car as a casual camera.

Keep it as a backup for the Bronnie.

Stop rationalising.

MattCarey · Oct 27, 2005

"Someone please tell me why I need both an SLR and a TRL. "

You don't. You need an SLR, a TLR and a view camera.

Matt

Wayne R. Scott · Oct 27, 2005

I addition to the slr, tlr and view camera, you need a range finder and nice folder for your pocket.

Wayne

brent8927 · Oct 27, 2005

Might be a good idea to have two of each...

MattKing · Oct 27, 2005

The next time you need to take a photograph quietly, you will know why you need a TLR to complement your SLR.

You may find the bellows in the C33 to be useful too.

The last time I took my C220 to a Seattle Mariners baseball game, I got lots of fascinated stares. Might have got similar interest with a Bronica, though.

Probably most important, though, is that it is really useful to have a backup camera, especially one as rugged as a Mamiya TLR.

Have fun!

BradS · Oct 27, 2005

I'm wondering how it is that you have managed to survive with only one of each....What will you do if you want to shoot both color and B&W on the same day? FP-4 and Tri-X? etc....???? :confused:

Ole · Oct 27, 2005

MattCarey said:
"Someone please tell me why I need both an SLR and a TRL. "

You don't. You need an SLR, a TLR and a view camera.

Matt

One view camera is never enough. You need a "small" 6x9 rollfilm one, a 4x5" one for polaroids, and at least a 5x7" for b&w work.

gr82bart · Oct 27, 2005

Make sure, one of them is coloured...

Art.

modafoto · Oct 27, 2005

MattCarey said:
You don't. You need an SLR, a TLR and a view camera.

And a rangefinder (go with a Leica...cheap and nice), a panorama rangefinder (XPAN) and a panorama (7x17) view camera.

P C Headland · Oct 27, 2005

You don't. You need an SLR, a TLR and a view camera.

True. Along with a folder and interchangeable lens rangefinder.

And you will of course need a 6x9 or two; given that 6x6 is so good, 6x9 has got to be better. Then you will start wondering what a 4x5 looks like on the light table.

It's all downhill from now

joeyk49 · Oct 27, 2005

jmdavis said:
Because. Just because, damnit.

I second the motion!

Remember, "He who dies with the most toys, wins!"

Dan Fromm · Oct 27, 2005

joeyk49 said:
I second the motion!

Remember, "He who dies with the most toys, wins!"

Um, Joey, why would anyone enter a competition that can be won only by dying? Yeah, yeah, I know "count no man happy until he is dead," but that's a statement about the prospect of changes for the much worse, not about what it takes to be happy.

laz · Oct 27, 2005

I swear I fainted when I read this question! An APUGer who doesn't know why he needs more cameras needs to seek professional help right away!

gr82bart said:
Make sure, one of them is coloured...
Art.

LOL!

Ara Ghajanian · Oct 27, 2005

"Someone please tell me why I need both an SLR and a TRL."

You don't. Sell them both and buy a Nikon D2x... oops, wrong forum. I thought this was photo.net.

By the way, I'm kidding.
Ara

Gerald Koch · Oct 27, 2005

Besides being quieter there is also less camera shake with a TLR -- no mirror slapping about.

Dan Fromm · Oct 27, 2005

laz said:
I swear I fainted when I read this question! An APUGer who doesn't know why he needs more cameras needs to seek professional help right away!

LOL!

Hmmm. Until I read your post, I thought I had at least as many cameras as I needed. Two Graphics, two Nikons, two Beaulieu S8 cameras, and too many: Canon S8 cameras, Eumig Nautica, Retinas, 120 film pocketable folders, ... And I seem to have more lenses than I need too.

Are you sure I need help? I just took my mental temperature, and the reading is "sell the rest of the 'excess to needs' equipment".

I mean, I have more cameras than I can carry, let alone use. I've checked with my doctor. He says I don't have Galli's Disease or Tjugen's Syndrome.

Cheers,

Dan

medform-norm · Oct 27, 2005

Dan Fromm said:
I mean, I have more cameras than I can carry, let alone use. I've checked with my doctor. He says I don't have Galli's Disease or Tjugen's Syndrome.

Cheers,

Dan

Hmm, if that is so, why then did you bid on the Boyer Beryl a couple of days ago, which, incidentally, is soon to travel northwards to Holland...

Dave Parker · Oct 27, 2005

MattKing said:
The last time I took my C220 to a Seattle Mariners baseball game, I got lots of fascinated stares. Might have got similar interest with a Bronica, though.

Have fun!

I am sure you hit the shutter button at a Seattle Mariners on a Bronica, I know for a fact you will get stares, but I am not sure they would be stares of fascination!!

Dave

narsuitus · Oct 27, 2005

1. If you need lenses longer than what is available for the TLR, you need the SLR.
2. If you need lenses that are wider than what is available for the TLR, you need the SLR.
3. If you need to attach the camera to a microscope, you need the SLR.
4. If you need to see the depth of field in the viewfinder, you need the SLR.
5. If you need less hassle with parallax, you need the SLR.
6. If you need to see the filter effect in the viewfinder, it is easier with the SLR.
7. If you need easy focusing with a dark filter on the lens, you need the TLR.
8. If you need quiet operation, you need the TLR.
9. If you need minimal camera vibration when the shutter is released, you need the TLR.
10. If you prefer a camera with fewer moving parts, you need the TLR.
11. If you need to see the subject in the viewfinder at the moment of exposure, you need the TLR.

Soeren · Oct 27, 2005

narsuitus said:
1. If you need lenses longer than what is available for the TLR, you need the SLR.
2. If you need lenses that are wider than what is available for the TLR, you need the SLR.
3. If you need to attach the camera to a microscope, you need the SLR.
4. If you need to see the depth of field in the viewfinder, you need the SLR.
5. If you need less hassle with parallax, you need the SLR.
6. If you need to see the filter effect in the viewfinder, it is easier with the SLR.
7. If you need easy focusing with a dark filter on the lens, you need the TLR.
8. If you need quiet operation, you need the TLR.
9. If you need minimal camera vibration when the shutter is released, you need the TLR.
10. If you prefer a camera with fewer moving parts, you need the TLR.
11. If you need to see the subject in the viewfinder at the moment of exposure, you need the TLR.

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Yes
6. Yes
7. Yes
8. Yes
9. Yes
10. Yes
11. Yes
Ohoooh I need both.........well actually I got both.
Now lets talk about those 6x9, 4'x5' and 5'x7'
Søren

laz · Oct 27, 2005

He who dies with the most cameras wins!

Dan Fromm · Oct 27, 2005

medform-norm said:
Hmm, if that is so, why then did you bid on the Boyer Beryl a couple of days ago, which, incidentally, is soon to travel northwards to Holland...

Fair question.

It is a tiny little lens, won't break my back. That's why I carry a 4.75"/7.7 Aldis Uno as well as a 127/4.7 Tominon (or 135/5.6 Symmar if it wins the shootout). Also why I carry a 6"/9 Cooke Copying Lens as well as a 160/5.6 Pro Raptar. And of course the Uno and 6" Cooke shoot very well.

It fills the monstrous gap between 80 mm and 100 mm. And I don't have another 90.

Boyer made some fine lenses. I'm very happy with my two Apo Saphirs and my dagor type 210/7.7.

If I had won the auction, the price would have been right. You won it, I gather, and paid more than the lens is worth to me.

So, are you going to mount the Beryl on a pocketable 6x9 folder?

Cheers,

Dan

medform-norm · Oct 27, 2005

Dan Fromm said:
So, are you going to mount the Beryl on a pocketable 6x9 folder?

Cheers,

Dan

Well, sort of. We will either use it on our 'pocketable' Graphic View or on the midget Optika IIa. But hmm, mounting it on a folder? There's an idea. We'll try it on the left-over Telka III. Indeed, it's a very versatile lens. Let's wait and see what it's like. Maybe it's a real nice lens with a very special character. Otherwise I'll put her back on the market and make you a first offer

Price was about right for us - we pay less shipping costs within Europe, so we save on that compared to you. Would have bid like you when it was on sale in the US.

Someone please tell me why I need both an SLR and a TRL.

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