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... or, properly subtitled "What the *beep* was I thinking?!?".

Rather than side-track other threads, I thought I'd collect my adventures with this particular monochromatic elephant in a separate thread.

I've been intrigued by the concept of the GX680 since I first saw one-- medium format, but actual, honest-to-goodness large format style movements, and the lenses have a reputation for exceptional clarity and sharpness. The more I read, the more interested I became-- except they use a proprietary no-longer-made battery, and they weigh about the same as a VW Beetle.

After seeing a story by another user who had built their own battery pack, I'm browsing the Bay of Fleas, and I find an example with remarkably good appearance, but it's labeled "untested"-- usually a red flag. The seller (Japan, of course) didn't have a battery, so couldn't test. Well, I saved it in my watch list to think about for later.

Half an hour later, I get an offer for 15% off. At this point, the shipping is nearly as much as the camera, and I've determined there are a couple of low-cost options for a battery pack, and KEH has some inexpensive lenses. A few clicks later, and I was being assured that a camera would be en route to me soon, and a lens classed as "UG" by KEH, along with an actual factory DC power supply (well, it's AC -> DC), would also be here posthaste. Or haste-post.

Two days later, I had the lens and power supply. Power supply puts out 8.13v, lens had some minor scuff marks on the glass that cleaned off with little effort. "UG" my *bleeep*! Calling this thing "BGN" would have been under rating it.

The next day, the camera entered DHL's system, and apparently via wormhole, appeared at my doorstep 48 hours later. That's an average of 150 mph, so perhaps Lewis Hamilton delivered it after being crowned WDC again.

The good: The camera is in remarkably clean condition. The power supply works great. Once powered, all systems seem to work, the only thing left is to run an actual roll of film through. Tried running just backing paper, but instead received a lesson in how long it takes for the film back to spool the backing paper from one spool to another (~ 15 seconds).

The bad: No battery pack-- but I knew that. The bellows have some pinholes, and generally feel... un-supple. Doesn't handle movements gracefully. Can repair, but might be better off replacing. The film back battery is dead, but I expected that, and have a replacement on order. The LED light on the film back is also DOA-- but that may just be because the on-board battery is kerphut.

The weird: Researching the camera, there are 3 models. The Mk I, with the brownish label, the unmarked front standard, the twist knob instead of a lever for focus lock, and the red bar for horizontal vs. vertical. The model II, with the gray label, the "GX680 II" label on the front bar, the lever lock, and the "knives" in the viewfinder that switch between horizontal and vertical. Then there's the model III... and this isn't that one. :smile:

Instead, I have a gray label, unmarked front bar, twist-lock on focus rail, and the switching rails that flip between vertical and horizontal. So it appears to be the main body of a GX680 II, with the front assembly from a GX680 I. Still works though, so no complaints.

Next up-- build a better battery pack. Thingiverse has a design for an 18650-based battery pack (they're lithium-ion rechargeables that put out around 3.7v-- so two of them should be pretty close to the 7.2v the camera expects from the original NiCd battery pack): https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3400814

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Looks very nice. I remember when these came out and really wanted one.
 
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There's something about it that smacks of Star Wars "Empire" design language. Massive, imposing, etc..
 

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Apparently the grey sticker from the GX680II was used on the GX680I if the body had to be opened for repair etc.
 

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Fuji 680 III was my workhorse camera for about 10 years. Had the 50, 65, 125 & 210. Mainly worked off one back and swapped inserts. Shot it handheld on lifestyle shoots. Rad camera.
*Extension Rails are great to have if you plan on some tabletop or close up work.
 
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Apparently the grey sticker from the GX680II was used on the GX680I if the body had to be opened for repair etc.

I read that too. Problem is, mine has the flippy shutter frames from the model II that chance the framing when you switch from horizontal to vertical, and they're activated by a button under the rotating back. So it's not like someone added the feature.

Having said that, the focus lock is obviously the "winged" knob style from the model I. I haven't been able to find a serial number guide, and there's nothing on the camera to indicate one way or another.

One possibility is what happened with my MGB-GT I had many, many years ago-- When they were building the cars, they'd use up the existing parts supply. So a "1972 model" might have a few parts left over from the 1971 model early in the production run, and then later in 1972, some parts might switch to the 1972, or even the 1973 parts. The only way to know for sure was with a master list of production numbers that a couple of the parts houses had copies of.

Or, it's possible this is a Frankencamera that got dropped, and rebuilt with spare parts from the model I.

Still, can't complain-- aside from the bellows being in somewhat poor condition, the only physical issue I've found so far is a slight wobble in the front standard where the "U"-shaped frame that holds the lens board can rock back and forth slightly. Most irritating when trying to use tilt. Fortunately, some kind soul uploaded the entire model I repair manual to learncamerarepair.com.
 
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So after a false start printing the battery pack (4+ year old filament can be temperamental), I've produced a reasonable facsimile of a battery pack that fits very well into the battery holder.

Downside is that there's some support-related issues with the printed product-- I've got this one working, but it's not right, and I want to tweak the design a bit so it doesn't require supports that you can't easily remove.

However-- loaded it up with two 3.7v batteries (which are supposed to be compatible, but not quite, with 18650 batteries), made sure my voltage and polarity was right, plugged it in... and my GX680 is working on battery power. Everything works as well as it did on AC power. :smile:

The batteries are actually slightly shorter than a true 18650, which in this case, is good-- they barely fit in the pack.

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There's a lid to print with it, which uses small magnets to hold it in place (the round holes in the corners). Not going to bother with this one, since I intend to reprint it.

Next up, replace the ER3 battery in the film back.
 

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Nice work on the battery pack!

Looks like the bellows on those cameras was vinyl, so the usual remedies for fabric bellows may not work. You might try extending it and using black silicone glue, from the inside or outside on the holes to make it useable until the new bellows arrives. I suspect the new bellows will be fabric, which should be fine, just a little harder to keep clean.
 
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After a bit of playing with it, I realized the bellows were actually sticking to each other a bit... so I tried the basics: damp cloth, wiped it down a bit, flexed it back and forth, and most of the flexibility has been restored. Don't know what was on it (other than a decade or more of sitting in a box), but it's in good enough shape now I may repair the pin holes. If nothing else, it's good practice. :smile:

Also disassembled the film back and replaced the battery. The LED backlight is still either not present, or not working-- but the exposure memory is working again.

@ic-racer: Thanks, but I didn't do that much of the work-- Someone else took the time to design the pack and make the design available. I just printed it, got the right connectors, and wired it up. The nice thing is, since they're rechargeable, I won't be buying dozens of AA batteries to feed the beast. :smile:
 
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Trivial update: Reprinted the battery pack using some tweaked settings, rather than trying to fix the original model. New pack fits substantially better, isn't cracked, and doesn't look like it's been attacked with power tools.
 

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I'm considering one of these. Having an MF view camera, I would probably go with the "S", model that does not have front end movements, except focus. More rigid; more precise.
 
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If you already have an MF view, I can see the logic. But all of the movements are very heavily detented already. The only wobble mine has is the front upright (which is common to the S as well), and not part of the movements.

The battery pack is working like a champ, and I picked up a somewhat lighter, smaller lens (135mm f/5.6 GX-M) to go with it.
 

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... or, properly subtitled "What the *beep* was I thinking?!?".

Rather than side-track other threads, I thought I'd collect my adventures with this particular monochromatic elephant in a separate thread.

I've been intrigued by the concept of the GX680 since I first saw one-- medium format, but actual, honest-to-goodness large format style movements, and the lenses have a reputation for exceptional clarity and sharpness. The more I read, the more interested I became-- except they use a proprietary no-longer-made battery, and they weigh about the same as a VW Beetle.

After seeing a story by another user who had built their own battery pack, I'm browsing the Bay of Fleas, and I find an example with remarkably good appearance, but it's labeled "untested"-- usually a red flag. The seller (Japan, of course) didn't have a battery, so couldn't test. Well, I saved it in my watch list to think about for later.

Half an hour later, I get an offer for 15% off. At this point, the shipping is nearly as much as the camera, and I've determined there are a couple of low-cost options for a battery pack, and KEH has some inexpensive lenses. A few clicks later, and I was being assured that a camera would be en route to me soon, and a lens classed as "UG" by KEH, along with an actual factory DC power supply (well, it's AC -> DC), would also be here posthaste. Or haste-post.

Two days later, I had the lens and power supply. Power supply puts out 8.13v, lens had some minor scuff marks on the glass that cleaned off with little effort. "UG" my *bleeep*! Calling this thing "BGN" would have been under rating it.

The next day, the camera entered DHL's system, and apparently via wormhole, appeared at my doorstep 48 hours later. That's an average of 150 mph, so perhaps Lewis Hamilton delivered it after being crowned WDC again.

The good: The camera is in remarkably clean condition. The power supply works great. Once powered, all systems seem to work, the only thing left is to run an actual roll of film through. Tried running just backing paper, but instead received a lesson in how long it takes for the film back to spool the backing paper from one spool to another (~ 15 seconds).

The bad: No battery pack-- but I knew that. The bellows have some pinholes, and generally feel... un-supple. Doesn't handle movements gracefully. Can repair, but might be better off replacing. The film back battery is dead, but I expected that, and have a replacement on order. The LED light on the film back is also DOA-- but that may just be because the on-board battery is kerphut.

The weird: Researching the camera, there are 3 models. The Mk I, with the brownish label, the unmarked front standard, the twist knob instead of a lever for focus lock, and the red bar for horizontal vs. vertical. The model II, with the gray label, the "GX680 II" label on the front bar, the lever lock, and the "knives" in the viewfinder that switch between horizontal and vertical. Then there's the model III... and this isn't that one. :smile:

Instead, I have a gray label, unmarked front bar, twist-lock on focus rail, and the switching rails that flip between vertical and horizontal. So it appears to be the main body of a GX680 II, with the front assembly from a GX680 I. Still works though, so no complaints.

Next up-- build a better battery pack. Thingiverse has a design for an 18650-based battery pack (they're lithium-ion rechargeables that put out around 3.7v-- so two of them should be pretty close to the 7.2v the camera expects from the original NiCd battery pack): https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3400814

The beast in question:

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E*N*J*O*Y!!!!
 

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KEH lens tend to be underrated.
I built my whole GX680 system from KEH 6 years ago. A GX680 III, 80, 135, 210 and 2 120 non N backs for less than 400 bucks. The lens were graded as UG and came spotless without scratches, even with 3 cases and both caps. I should have bought lottery back then...
 

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I'm considering one of these. Having an MF view camera, I would probably go with the "S", model that does not have front end movements, except focus. More rigid; more precise.
The S was for simplicity, it honestly was not any more rigid. I never really understood it, as the whole point of the beast was to have some LF like movement in the studio (and field, in my case). But it was also used for strait up portrait shots, and if you did enough, dedicating a simplified version of the GX680 does make operational sense.
 
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My front standard does have a small amount of wibble at the base where it attaches to the rail carriage-- it moves maybe a couple of millimetres forward or back. Anyone know how to tighten? I haven't dug deep enough into the repair manual yet.
 
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